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Key and Banks secret tape

Postby BigNanaJez » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:10 am

Someone leak that shit!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politic ... ing-for-PM

The secret recording of a cafe meeting between John Key and ACT's Epsom candidate John Banks is embarrassing for the Prime Minister and is likely to change the way some people vote, the newspaper editor holding the tape claims.

Key this morning insisted the conversation was bland and says he has no concerns about its contents.

He again attacked News of the World phone-hacking style journalism, saying inconsistencies in the story of the freelance cameraman who took the recording show it was a deliberate act.

"If there was anything interesting there, that paper would have published it," he told TVNZ's Breakfast programme.

Herald on Sunday editor Bryce Johns said today the National leader was doing "an exceptional job at deflecting the attention in this saga from what he said".

"I've got a bit of disdain for the prime minister right now and the lines they are running."

Senior editorial staff had expected the conversation to be boring but for Key and Banks to "traverse into the areas they did with the media pack less than one metre away is unfathomable".

However, the tape was not Watergate "by any stretch of the imagination".

"It's just some silly 'this is how we are going to rule the world stuff'.

"It's nothing that is going to bring down the Government but it's certainly embarrassing."

Johns said there was one "injudicious" comment that could change the way some people vote.

The freelance cameraman was "absolutely, 100 per cent not a staff member" and Johns said he had no reasons to doubt his motives or his story.

Key said National party staff were now handling the issue and would look at whether any legal action would be taken.

It is illegal to tape a conversation if neither party knows they are being recorded.

The cameraman had never approached his staff to get the device back during the meeting or told staff at the cafe he had a recording. The newspaper claimed he discovered it when he got back to his office.

The Prime Minster said he would not give permission for the tape to be released because "once you start New of the World tactics from a tabloid like the Herald on Sunday, you just encourage them to do it to everyone else".

"Once you start with me, then it just goes to other well known New Zealanders.

"The British public saw what that was like and in the end it's very distasteful."

Johns said the Herald On Sunday may be a tabloid paper in its physical size but "certainly not in its approach to journalism".

"I'm not aware of anybody in journalism in this country who would deliberately tape a conversation outside the bounds of the law.

"Certainly none of my journalists, none of the contractors are ever instructed to do that.

"It's in the public interest and we would love to publish it but ethically we are the ones that have made the right call here by not doing it."

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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby Lurch » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:18 am

damn. was expecting a homemade sex vid.
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Postby Dead Kid » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:23 am

Senior editorial staff had expected the conversation to be boring but for Key and Banks to "traverse into the areas they did with the media pack less than one metre away is unfathomable".

What were the media there for if not to listen? Were they not allowed to take notes and report the contents of the conversation?
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Postby Dead Kid » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:06 pm

Dead Kid wrote:Were they not allowed to take notes and report the contents of the conversation?

Never mind, I assume when it says they were less than a metre away, they were outside the window most of the time. If the politicians didn't check what was on the table, they probably didn't check the thickness of the windows or who else was in the cafe at the time. Surely Key figured someone would hear what he said, he was probably just taking the piss. If people would still vote for him after his performance on Letterman, why would this stop them? :baton:
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Postby EuphoricMilk » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:18 pm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1111/S ... remony.htm

[JOHN 1 and JOHN 2 enter a cafe, bow to each other, and sit in facing seats at a cafe table.]

WAITER: Can I help you?

JOHN 1: I would like a Symbolic Cup Of Tea.

JOHN 2: I too would like a Symbolic Cup Of Tea.

[Waiter bows. Waiter opens a cupboard and removes a Key Ring. Waiter unlocks a Safe which contains a small Gong. Waiter places Gong beside Espresso Machine and Strikes the Gong once.]

[Camera flash.]

J1: It is an Auspicious Day.

J2: It is Two-Weeks-From-The-Election Eve.

J1: Any policy released after this day is officially We Don't Want The Voters To Think Too Hard About This.

J2: It is nice to Take A Break From Campaigning Out Of The Sun.

J1: Yes. It is Very Shady Here In Epsom.

J2: Epsom is symbolic of Scared White People.

J1: Your Name is symbolic of Stopping Things Leaking Out The Side.

J2: Your Name is symbolic of A Potential Opening.

W: I have brought you Your Tea.

[Camera flash.]



W: Tea Sounds Like T.

J1: T stands for Treason.

J2: T stands for Train Wreck.

W: Because it is a Symbolic Cup Of Tea it does not have to Actually Be Tea.

J1: I am having a Flat White.

J2: I am having a Corned Beef Smoothie. I have Been Told They Are Nice Here.

W: The Credibility Of John Banks Drinking A Corned Beef Smoothie is symbolic of The Credibility Of John Banks Representing The ACT Party's Principles.

[J1 & J2 sniff the Tea.]

J1 & J2: Mmm Lovely.

J2: My Mum always said If You Can See The Bottom It's Not A Proper Cup Of Tea.

J1: I Cannot See The Bottom Twenty Per Cent.

J2: The only bottom I can see is the Bottom Of The Barrel.

J1&J2: It is a Proper Cup Of Tea.

[J1 & J2 theatrically indicate the extreme heat of the Tea.]

W: The Tea is Very Hot because You Might Both Get Burned.

J1: The Tea is Very Hot because If You Cannot Stand The Heat Get Out Of The Kitchen.

W: That is the Metaphorical Kitchen not the Symbolic Kitchen. In the Symbolic Kitchen, Out The Back, A Lot Of People Work Hard For Not Much in Horrible Conditions and Fell Lucky For What They Can Get. For the purposes of this Symbolic Cup Of Tea we will Ignore The People In The Kitchen.

W: Too Hot is also symbolic of Baby Bear's Porridge.

[Camera flash.]

[A Starving Sparrow lands on the Table.]

J1: The Sparrow is hoping for Crumbs.

J2: If You Feed Them It Only Encourages Them.

J1 & J2: Get away from our Table, Sparrow.

[The Sparrow dies of Shame.]

W: I have brought you Your Little Spoons.

J1: The Little Spoon is symbolic of a Long Spoon.

J2: The Little Spoon is symbolic of a Bent Spoon.

W: I have brought you Your Sugar. It is not Fair Trade.

J1: The grains of the Sugar and symbolic of Crushed Hopes For Less Authoritarian Politics.

J2: This Spoon Of Sugar is symbolic of My Personal Election Year Lolly Scramble.

W: I have brought you Your Milk. It is not Organic.

J1: The Saucer Catching The Drips As I Pour The Milk is symbolic of ACT's Stability As A Helpful Coalition Partner.

J2: The Motion Of Poured Milk In The Tea is symbolic of ACT's Stability In Every Other Way.

J2: I will Stir the Tea.

J1: I will Spin the Tea.

[Camera flash.]

J1: This Milk has Curdled.

W: The Curdled Milk is symbolic of We May Have Got This Water Out Of A New Zealand River.

J2: This Milk has Split.

W: The Split Milk is symbolic of a Split Vote.

J2: I Do Not Like this Milk.

J1 & J2: We will Drink The Tea And Pretend We Enjoy It.

[Camera flash.]

W: The Pinky Finger Extended Forwards is symbolic of Pointing To The Person You Are Supporting In This Election.

J1: The Pinky Finger is also symbolic of the Shaft I am giving to My Party's Candidate.

W: The Difficulty Swallowing is symbolic of Economic Projections.

[Camera flash.]

J1: This Tea has left a Bitter Taste In My Mouth.

J2: I Quite Liked It.

W: Will there be Anything Else?

J1: You Don't Know The Half Of It.

[J1 and J2 stand. They shake hands.]

[Camera flash.]

W: If that were Don Brash it would be Symbolic of Death And The Maiden.

J2: I Do Not Know anyone called Don Brash.

W: Here is Your Bill. The Bill is symbolic of Hoping To Come Out Ahead But Paying A Steep Price For It.

[J2 theatrically pats his pockets.]

J2: Oh Dear.

J1: Do you not have your Credit Card?

J2: I have Left My Wallet Somewhere.

W: The Wallet is symbolic of Credibility.

J1: Do Not Worry, I shall Get This One.

W: The National Party is assumed to be a Better Economic Manager.

J1 & J2: No Evidence Is Needed.

[J1 produces cash.]

[Camera flash.]

J1: I will Pay for My Tea with this Money.

[Waiter puts Hand out with a Bow. J1 touches the Money to the Hand then takes the Money back.]

J1: I will also Pay for His Tea with This Money.

W: You Cannot Spend The Same Money Twice.

J1: It is Money I will get from Floating State Owned Assets.

W: Oh. That is All Right Then.

J1: There is No Tip. We All Have To Make Sacrifices.

[Waiter Strikes the Gong, twice.]

W: You are my Best Customer.

[Camera flash.]

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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby Phlegm » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:19 pm

Dead Kid wrote:
Senior editorial staff had expected the conversation to be boring but for Key and Banks to "traverse into the areas they did with the media pack less than one metre away is unfathomable".

What were the media there for if not to listen? Were they not allowed to take notes and report the contents of the conversation?



They'd been asked to leave. No, because it was from a microphone a cameraman thought he'd switched off.
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Postby EuphoricMilk » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:20 pm

A friend brought up this point - "The NZ Herald claim John Key has not given permission for his privacy to be breached. But i point to the David Lange ( Lange v Atkinson) defamation case where the court ruled that a politician discussing a matter of public interest does not have any expectation of privacy. The Herald is failing in its obligations and should be prosecuted if they don't release this tape"
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Postby dustbinflowers » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:29 pm

EuphoricMilk wrote:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1111/S00086/scoop-satire-a-tea-ceremony.htm

[JOHN 1 and JOHN 2 enter a cafe, bow to each other, and sit in facing seats at a cafe table.]

WAITER: Can I help you?

JOHN 1: I would like a Symbolic Cup Of Tea.

JOHN 2: I too would like a Symbolic Cup Of Tea.

[Waiter bows. Waiter opens a cupboard and removes a Key Ring. Waiter unlocks a Safe which contains a small Gong. Waiter places Gong beside Espresso Machine and Strikes the Gong once.]

[Camera flash.]

J1: It is an Auspicious Day.

J2: It is Two-Weeks-From-The-Election Eve.

J1: Any policy released after this day is officially We Don't Want The Voters To Think Too Hard About This.

J2: It is nice to Take A Break From Campaigning Out Of The Sun.

J1: Yes. It is Very Shady Here In Epsom.

J2: Epsom is symbolic of Scared White People.

J1: Your Name is symbolic of Stopping Things Leaking Out The Side.

J2: Your Name is symbolic of A Potential Opening.

W: I have brought you Your Tea.

[Camera flash.]



W: Tea Sounds Like T.

J1: T stands for Treason.

J2: T stands for Train Wreck.

W: Because it is a Symbolic Cup Of Tea it does not have to Actually Be Tea.

J1: I am having a Flat White.

J2: I am having a Corned Beef Smoothie. I have Been Told They Are Nice Here.

W: The Credibility Of John Banks Drinking A Corned Beef Smoothie is symbolic of The Credibility Of John Banks Representing The ACT Party's Principles.

[J1 & J2 sniff the Tea.]

J1 & J2: Mmm Lovely.

J2: My Mum always said If You Can See The Bottom It's Not A Proper Cup Of Tea.

J1: I Cannot See The Bottom Twenty Per Cent.

J2: The only bottom I can see is the Bottom Of The Barrel.

J1&J2: It is a Proper Cup Of Tea.

[J1 & J2 theatrically indicate the extreme heat of the Tea.]

W: The Tea is Very Hot because You Might Both Get Burned.

J1: The Tea is Very Hot because If You Cannot Stand The Heat Get Out Of The Kitchen.

W: That is the Metaphorical Kitchen not the Symbolic Kitchen. In the Symbolic Kitchen, Out The Back, A Lot Of People Work Hard For Not Much in Horrible Conditions and Fell Lucky For What They Can Get. For the purposes of this Symbolic Cup Of Tea we will Ignore The People In The Kitchen.

W: Too Hot is also symbolic of Baby Bear's Porridge.

[Camera flash.]

[A Starving Sparrow lands on the Table.]

J1: The Sparrow is hoping for Crumbs.

J2: If You Feed Them It Only Encourages Them.

J1 & J2: Get away from our Table, Sparrow.

[The Sparrow dies of Shame.]

W: I have brought you Your Little Spoons.

J1: The Little Spoon is symbolic of a Long Spoon.

J2: The Little Spoon is symbolic of a Bent Spoon.

W: I have brought you Your Sugar. It is not Fair Trade.

J1: The grains of the Sugar and symbolic of Crushed Hopes For Less Authoritarian Politics.

J2: This Spoon Of Sugar is symbolic of My Personal Election Year Lolly Scramble.

W: I have brought you Your Milk. It is not Organic.

J1: The Saucer Catching The Drips As I Pour The Milk is symbolic of ACT's Stability As A Helpful Coalition Partner.

J2: The Motion Of Poured Milk In The Tea is symbolic of ACT's Stability In Every Other Way.

J2: I will Stir the Tea.

J1: I will Spin the Tea.

[Camera flash.]

J1: This Milk has Curdled.

W: The Curdled Milk is symbolic of We May Have Got This Water Out Of A New Zealand River.

J2: This Milk has Split.

W: The Split Milk is symbolic of a Split Vote.

J2: I Do Not Like this Milk.

J1 & J2: We will Drink The Tea And Pretend We Enjoy It.

[Camera flash.]

W: The Pinky Finger Extended Forwards is symbolic of Pointing To The Person You Are Supporting In This Election.

J1: The Pinky Finger is also symbolic of the Shaft I am giving to My Party's Candidate.

W: The Difficulty Swallowing is symbolic of Economic Projections.

[Camera flash.]

J1: This Tea has left a Bitter Taste In My Mouth.

J2: I Quite Liked It.

W: Will there be Anything Else?

J1: You Don't Know The Half Of It.

[J1 and J2 stand. They shake hands.]

[Camera flash.]

W: If that were Don Brash it would be Symbolic of Death And The Maiden.

J2: I Do Not Know anyone called Don Brash.

W: Here is Your Bill. The Bill is symbolic of Hoping To Come Out Ahead But Paying A Steep Price For It.

[J2 theatrically pats his pockets.]

J2: Oh Dear.

J1: Do you not have your Credit Card?

J2: I have Left My Wallet Somewhere.

W: The Wallet is symbolic of Credibility.

J1: Do Not Worry, I shall Get This One.

W: The National Party is assumed to be a Better Economic Manager.

J1 & J2: No Evidence Is Needed.

[J1 produces cash.]

[Camera flash.]

J1: I will Pay for My Tea with this Money.

[Waiter puts Hand out with a Bow. J1 touches the Money to the Hand then takes the Money back.]

J1: I will also Pay for His Tea with This Money.

W: You Cannot Spend The Same Money Twice.

J1: It is Money I will get from Floating State Owned Assets.

W: Oh. That is All Right Then.

J1: There is No Tip. We All Have To Make Sacrifices.

[Waiter Strikes the Gong, twice.]

W: You are my Best Customer.

[Camera flash.]

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Postby akaxo » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:31 pm

EuphoricMilk wrote:A friend brought up this point - "The NZ Herald claim John Key has not given permission for his privacy to be breached. But i point to the David Lange ( Lange v Atkinson) defamation case where the court ruled that a politician discussing a matter of public interest does not have any expectation of privacy. The Herald is failing in its obligations and should be prosecuted if they don't release this tape"
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am unaware of that part of the ruling. only know brief surface details but thought the lange v atkinson case was just about defamation of political figures and meant that commentators can pretty much say what they want without having to worry about the usual defamation laws now. wasn't it just about an opinion column saying lange was a bit crap as PM? didn't know of any privacy issues in it. n.b. not a law buff but curious now...
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Postby akaxo » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:00 pm

tv3 have a copy now too, come on
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Postby Craig_Bastard » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:58 pm

But it's OK for Police to illegally spy on the public???
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Postby Tartanperil » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:20 pm

Would I be reading too much into TV3s seemingly pointed questioning of Banks that Key and Banks discussed rolling/dumping Brash after the election?

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Postby FC » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:21 pm

That seems to be the general consensus amongst a lot of people I see talking about it on fb too.
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Postby xsfat » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:04 am

Though the public will be curious, the media will milk this as much as they can, by suggestion there is highly embarassing content without disclosing it.
The contents is probably less-than-shocking. But like name suppression, the public wants to know what they can't have.
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EuphoricMilk wrote:A friend brought up this point - "The NZ Herald claim John Key has not given permission for his privacy to be breached. But i point to the David Lange ( Lange v Atkinson) defamation case where the court ruled that a politician discussing a matter of public interest does not have any expectation of privacy. The Herald is failing in its obligations and should be prosecuted if they don't release this tape"
What do the punkas law buffs think?
am unaware of that part of the ruling. only know brief surface details but thought the lange v atkinson case was just about defamation of political figures and meant that commentators can pretty much say what they want without having to worry about the usual defamation laws now. wasn't it just about an opinion column saying lange was a bit crap as PM? didn't know of any privacy issues in it. n.b. not a law buff but curious now...

There are a myriad of issues from a legal perspective.
In terms of criminal law, section 216B(1) of the Crimes Act provide:
Subject to subsections (2) to (5), every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally intercepts any private communication by means of an interception device.

Based on available facts, the main issue is whether it was intentional and also whether it was private communication (as defined in section 216A):
private communication—
(a) means a communication (whether in oral or written form or otherwise) made under circumstances that may reasonably be taken to indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties to the communication; but
(b) does not include such a communication occurring in circumstances in which any party ought reasonably to expect that the communication may be intercepted by some other person not having the express or implied consent of any party to do so

There are arguments on both sides based on the facts and circumstances at the time - media hoarde, presence of security, cafe, glass window
The main hurdle is probably intention, as the media now claims the device was inadvertently left on and the person tried to retrieve it but was stopped by security.
If the Crimes Act was breached, it would also be a crime to publish the content of the private communication [section 216C(1)]
Subject to subsection (2), where a private communication has been intercepted in contravention of section 216B, every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally—
(a) discloses the private communication, or the substance, meaning, or purport of the communication, or any part of it; or
(b) discloses the existence of the private communication,—
if he knows that it has come to his knowledge as a direct or indirect result of a contravention of section 216B.


Aside from criminal law, various torts could apply - such as breach of confidence and invasion of privacy.
Invasion of privacy would be unlikely to succeed assuming the content is political in nature and not highly offensive or intimate/humiliating etc.
For both torts claims, a defence of public interest could apply if the content disclosed are of matters of legitimate public concern

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Postby BigNanaJez » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:12 am

Ok, so what about this scenario -

every bastard and his dog was filming that date through the glass window.. I'm assuming that a deaf person, skilled in the art of lip reading, could tell you a great deal about what was said, is THAT illegal?

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Postby Tartanperil » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 am

Irrespective of it being recorded or not, or being in public cafe or in a secure bunker in the bottom of the Beehive, or whatever - I'd love to know what it is they don't want us to know that they are planning together.

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Postby EuphoricMilk » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:44 pm

Getting closer to having the audio released I reckon.

http://www.3news.co.nz/News-of-the-Worl ... um=twitter

A lawyer representing victims of the News of the World phone hacking scandal has weighed into New Zealand’s ‘teapot tape’ debate, defending the secret recording as “good journalism”.
Mark Lewis represents the family of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler along with others who claim their phones were hacked by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.
He says the recorded conversation between Prime Minister John Key and ACT candidate John Banks should be made public.
“There is a difference between the News of the World hacking into someone's phone to find out private information and seemingly - whether accidental or on purpose - effectively a journalist investigating some political statement,” he says.
“That's something that is in the public interest and sounds like it should be reported without the unfavourable comparison to what was clearly a criminal act.”
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Mr Lewis says it would be different if the teapot tape recorded a private conversation unrelated to the election.
“Something to do with the Prime Minister's health or his family situation… that really is nothing to do with anybody. If it's actually to do with how the country is governed then that's good journalism.”
Mr Lewis says the crux of the problem for the News of the World was “lazy journalism”.
“They were hacking people's phones to get cheap stories, there was no ethics or no morality of what they were doing […] this wasn't about finding a Watergate situation, this was just about finding out anything.”
He says Mr Key’s comparison to News of the World tactics was a “cheap shot” with little relevance to the British scandal.
An accurate parallel, he says, was former Prime Minister Gordon Brown who was inadvertently picked up on the campaign trail by a Sky News microphone describing a woman as “bigoted”.
“[He] carried on talking without realising he was still wired up to a microphone and saying something that might or might not have cost him the election.”
Rather than filing a police complaint, Mr Brown apologised to the woman and her family.
Mr Lewis says under English law the release of the tea tape would be very unlikely to lead to a prosecution. In fact he says the police “wouldn’t bother to open a file”.
“It would be very difficult to see, under English law, whether there would be a criminal offence, even if someone had deliberately left a camera running or a microphone running, having indicated that it wasn't running,” he says.
“Maybe under certain circumstances, if it was a deliberate action where you'd misled somebody, that might be effectively obtaining by deception. But it's very difficult to see how it could be.”
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Postby akaxo » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:20 pm

yeah i reckon. go tv3, that's good work.

yarn is it's them talking about how brash will be a goner after the election and banks will be act leader and some scummy snide comments from key about how peters won't get in as all his supporters are dying off and good riddance to them. all showing what a straight up good loyal kiwi bloke key is ha.
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Postby Rizzle By Wizzle Bitch » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:58 pm

If John key was a clever bastard which he probably is, he would be trying to keep the attention on this tape fiasco for as long as he can to draw attention away from other harder issues to debate. Probably fuck all of anything on the tape, but while the opposition are bleating on about that and the media are focused on it it noone seems to care about the policies of either side. Cleverly played IMO
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby akaxo » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:04 pm

dunno, it's not exactly looking good for key. not really opposition parties keeping attention on it, media is doing that, they just keep asking them about it. except peters but sounds like he was directly mentioned as were his senile dying off supporters so fair enough really.
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby ghetto ninja » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:27 pm

Planned publicity stunt to take attention away from more important issues Like Rizzle said. Does anyone honestly think that if Key and Banks were going to discuss politics that it would take place in public? Dreamin
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby FC » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:18 pm

I think they had a casual conversation about a few things without thinking properly. It sounds like the conversation is pretty casual. Can't see how this is/can be spun to be good for them.
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby akaxo » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:30 pm

pretty much agree, i don't have much respect for steven joyce but still would give him enough credit to be able to come up with something better in the way of planned publicity to deflect serious discussion. that and the only major policy announcements in the last couple of days have been from the nats, their welfare stuff today being the major one. not really something they'd want to distract from, bashing dope smoking bludgers is pretty core for them.
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby bridge. » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:46 pm

how the fuck is the biggest news story to come out in weeks. Seriously...who gives a fuck.

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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby Rabooyah » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:15 pm

^ probably what this guy said

Rizzle By Wizzle Bitch wrote:If John key was a clever bastard which he probably is, he would be trying to keep the attention on this tape fiasco for as long as he can to draw attention away from other harder issues to debate. Probably fuck all of anything on the tape, but while the opposition are bleating on about that and the media are focused on it it noone seems to care about the policies of either side. Cleverly played IMO
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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby BigNanaJez » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:17 am

It highlights how slippery John Key really is. His core MO is being one hell of a bullshit artist. Everything he says is heavily orchestrated. He knows what people will ask him most of the time and has tactics prepared for when they do to deflect and corral the conversation away from the question.

This interview is a perfect example

http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Key-reiter ... fault.aspx

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Re: Key and Banks secret tape

Postby steeltoedsneakers » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:49 am

bridge. wrote:how the fuck is the biggest news story to come out in weeks. Seriously...who gives a fuck.

Pssh, obviously you're not following the Zac Guildford saga...

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