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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby mmmm....good crack » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:55 pm

get on the hype train boys no way we will be let down
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby PertHJ » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:17 pm

thought her FB AMA was pretty good
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:18 am

why wouldn't it be she's amazing

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Max » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:55 pm

Fuck her, and fuck the Labour Party. She's good at the PR stuff and being "likeable" but there's no substance to her, she's just another Blairite neoliberal. She even worked for Blair when she was in London.

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:29 pm

wash your mouth out cunt

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:55 pm

yeh get fucked max. suck our dicks.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby PertHJ » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:03 pm

Man, Metiria, not making shit easy
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:11 pm

bloody libtards.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Max » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:24 pm

You really think a Labour government is going to roll back all the anti-worker, anti-beneficiary, anti-public health, anti-poor legislation just because they have a new younger leader? Nothing JA has ever said gives me any reason to believe they're going to do anything different. Yeah, let's do this.

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:18 pm

honestly i think their actions and policy will match my idealist views 1:1 and NZ will be transformed into a socialist utopia within weeks. because thats a completely realistic stance to take on politics.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:30 pm

Jacinda is the working mans goddess and I will hear no different

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby akaxo » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:53 pm

hoping she's the next pm solely because of the potential for much wailing and gnashing of teeth from mra fucktards
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:05 pm

haha i'm hype for that too
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Max » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:19 pm

akaxo wrote:hoping she's the next pm solely because of the potential for much wailing and gnashing of teeth from mra fucktards


We had plenty of that under Helen, remember when just about every top official in the country was a woman? Labour wouldn't be any worse than National but they won't be much better either. So long as the neoliberal consensus prevails, both major parties can get fucked.

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby akaxo » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:06 am

yeah and keen to laugh at more. there's no political party countering the neo-lib paradigm (ok, maybe Mana) so that isn't a factor...
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby 9seconds » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:46 am

hopefully she will encourage more people who wouldnt otherwise have voted to vote for greens and top, as labour might have a fighting chance with her leading.

but yeh, havnt heard many people critiquing her actual flaws, just shit about how many feral wains shes going to shit out of her haunted ratbox while in office or implying that as an appropriately decorous member of the fairer sex, she might not be able to handle all the pressures of government without fainting.
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Re: NZ election 2017

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Max » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:05 pm

And now the Greens self-destruct. The orthodoxy on the left is that Kennedy Graham and Dave Clendon are traitors, boring old white guys, that they're just pissed off at being demoted on the party list etc, which is all rather insulting.

The fact is Turei has a credibility problem, and will be a liability in the election. Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.

I'm a lefty but I hate the bullshit from people who continue to defend Metiria Turei even though it's hurting the party. I mean, I like her, but the benefit fraud thing really has come back to bite her on the arse. She should have just stepped down as co-leader, now after all the doubling down it's hard for her to do that.

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby 9seconds » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:55 pm

Max wrote:Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.


what the hell are you talking about?

my aunty is ruth dyson of the labour party, does that mean winz will just shower me with money? i had no idea, should i just tell my case manager or just book a flight on the labour parties extended family private jet down to see old aunty ruth and get her to weigh me down with gold? :explainittomelikeimfive:

you say some of the wackest shit, "im a lefty but: *long fart noise as from mike hoskings sweaty arse"
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Dead Kid » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:58 pm

What Turei did is an understandable pittance compared to the ridiculous amounts some fuckers have been able to rip off of New Zealand. Bill English seems to be riding his credibility problems just fine.

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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Red_switch » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:13 pm

Dead Kid wrote:What Turei did is an understandable pittance compared to the ridiculous amounts some fuckers have been able to rip off of New Zealand. Bill English seems to be riding his credibility problems just fine.


Why this exact reality of the situation isn't getting more focus in the media is beyond me.

My suspicion is that it will though.

There's a huge difference between doing something illegal retarded long before you enter parliament, and at least fronting up to it down the track, and actively breaking the law/ripping off nz while in parliament with the governing party.

The electoral fraud thing is retarded to. A good number of sitting MP's would be breaching the rules I'm fairly sure?
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Red_switch » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:16 pm

Max wrote:And now the Greens self-destruct. The orthodoxy on the left is that Kennedy Graham and Dave Clendon are traitors, boring old white guys, that they're just pissed off at being demoted on the party list etc, which is all rather insulting.

The fact is Turei has a credibility problem, and will be a liability in the election. Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.

I'm a lefty but I hate the bullshit from people who continue to defend Metiria Turei even though it's hurting the party. I mean, I like her, but the benefit fraud thing really has come back to bite her on the arse. She should have just stepped down as co-leader, now after all the doubling down it's hard for her to do that.


Get fucked. She's fronted it, taken it head on, and done exactly what any reasonable person should be expected to do in this situation. A case for resignation would exist if she didn't deal with it, but she is dealing with it.

Also the idea that people should have to rely on extended family for support is a huge load of bullshit too.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Red_switch » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:18 pm

9seconds wrote:
Max wrote:Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.


what the hell are you talking about?

my aunty is ruth dyson of the labour party, does that mean winz will just shower me with money? i had no idea, should i just tell my case manager or just book a flight on the labour parties extended family private jet down to see old aunty ruth and get her to weigh me down with gold? :explainittomelikeimfive:

you say some of the wackest shit, "im a lefty but: *long fart noise as from mike hoskings sweaty arse"


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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby 9seconds » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:43 pm

it annoys me that people think of the greens and labour as allies and national and labour as enemies, this is so not the fucking case, and never will be, its a pretense, the two major parties have more in common than they have against each other, thats why they colluded to prevent the nominal threat from the real left in the form of the internet-mana party last election.

this year is no different, their pundits like gower and hosking are tearing Metiria apart over these most petty of charges, talking about how jacinda must isolate herself from her, as if theres anything between the two parties, holy fuck, they dont talk like this about bill english and winston peters when that increasingly obvious old fool says something racist in his grasping attempts at power.

its all a farce, and its frustrating that people dont appear to notice, fuck it all anyway, the green party is made up as much of career politicians who dont really give a fuck what party they are in as long as they get paid, just like the others, Metiria made me think there was some integrity in the party, but if shes ousted, and even if she isnt, since shes ruled out a ministerial position, i dont really see what there is in that party to vote for
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby dustbinflowers » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:08 pm

Max wrote: Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.



wtf. I think you are pretty fucking naive. Probably a good idea to not speculate about what the relationships were like when you don't know what the fuck was going on in someone's life at the time, it's also known as making shit up.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby dustbinflowers » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:32 pm

I'd argue it was fairly offensive to suggest someone should have to rely on an ex partner's mother to support them. Without knowing what their situation was.
That's the same sort of crap I encountered from WINZ, who suggested I should borrow money from friends and family instead of coming to them to get a loan for a bond.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby akaxo » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:57 am

i'll second everything said in response to Max
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby Red_switch » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:23 am

There's a reason the USA has a culture of begging and street charity. I'd rather we stay as clear of that as possible.
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby 9seconds » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:54 am

dustbinflowers wrote:
Max wrote: Her daughter's grandmother is Ann Hartley, the former Labour MP, Deputy Speaker and North Shore mayor. Pretty sure they're all well paid positions, and she's been involved with her granddaughter's life even though her son's relationship with Turei didn't work out, she even mentioned her in her valedictory speech in parliament. So Turei arguing that she had no choice but to lie to Work and Income or not feed her daughter is not convincing.



wtf. I think you are pretty fucking naive. Probably a good idea to not speculate about what the relationships were like when you don't know what the fuck was going on in someone's life at the time, it's also known as making shit up.

whats worse is he clearly didnt make it up, since its the exact same ridiculous shit that talkback radio and seven sharp are hammering into peoples skulls, they go on and on about the minute details until it strts t take hold, but they write off bill englishes crimes automatically.

i keep being amazed more people dont realise thats whats happening.

im hoping labour gets in, but labour themselves are sabotaging an alliance with greens as best they can, and it really makes me feel like labour and nats are the real coalition, a hidden, shadow coalition that pretend to be opponents so they can all keep drawing a meke fucking wage.

and 90% of voters will vote for them, even tho they might prefer TOP or whatever, because they dont want to 'throw their vote away' :explainittomelikeimfive:
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Re: NZ election 2017

Postby 9seconds » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:10 pm

the green party should make chloe swarbrick leader, since the national party and their media cronies will soon spend all their 'young and female' ammo on adern, and chloe is way hotter and younger and this is all just a fucking popularity contest anyway it seems.

but also she seems very intelligent and certainly has the kind of goals and policies i would like to see in parliament.
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