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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:36 am

I rate Uber, got picked up in a 2015 Mercedes in Houston it was teh tits. Last time I got a taxi they did the standard scenic route overcharge bs - fuck taxis.
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:06 pm

So the problem with uber is the owner of the app is ripping the drivers off?

Open source app?
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:32 pm

Google dropped $200mil into Uber's dev, whilst an alternative open source app is possible part of what makes Uber good is having that money behind it.
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Re: UBER

Postby PertHJ » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:11 pm

9seconds wrote:So the problem with uber is the owner of the app is ripping the drivers off?

Open source app?


The problem with uber is that they are a taxi company/coop pretending they are something else through good marketing/story telling.

Because they are a taxi company they should be held to the same regulations/standards (licensing/workers rights/safety standards etc etc) as any other taxi company so to maintain the safety of workers,customers, general public, the market etc.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:56 pm

The taxi industry was fucked and needed a massive shakeup, thankfully something that Uber appears to have made happen. It's much better for me as a consumer i,e cheaper, nicer rides, drivers not being able to charge you for the scenic route. I can see why some of these drivers are getting butthurt, but honest every driver I've talked too it wasn't there 'real' job more something they did in their spare time for fun and some extra coin.

I think (as mentioned earlier with Google's $$$$) they're going to get the software side of things worked out and use this as a platform for their autonomous car network - removing the drivers entirely eventually.
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:40 pm

lol, i wonder how many times google cars will be hired to drive onto the back of transport vehicles and stolen.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:24 am

Yeah they'll probably have a hard time tracking them down what with the vehicles using a satellite network to pin point navigate around cities and what not...
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Re: UBER

Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:56 am

It's just wires. Snip.

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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:02 pm

smart cars just require smarter thieves, ive been following this a lot lately, seeing some of the latest shit that 4wd owners are putting in their rigs, any truck thief has a gps jammer, get with the times snuff
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Re: UBER

Postby PertHJ » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:19 pm

So what your saying is that about as many cars will be stolen then as now?
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:47 pm

stop pointing out the flaws in my various arguments, it forces me to construct them better and become a more intelligent and considered poster.
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Re: UBER

Postby PertHJ » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:15 pm

Punkas will improve your life
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Re: UBER

Postby yossarian » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:18 pm

PertHJ wrote:Punkas will improve your life


This is definitely not true.

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Re: UBER

Postby The Ost » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:02 pm

PertHJ wrote:
9seconds wrote:So the problem with uber is the owner of the app is ripping the drivers off?

Open source app?


The problem with uber is that they are a taxi company/coop pretending they are something else through good marketing/story telling.


I don't think that's true.

Uber succeeds through providing a service that customers want.

Personally, I find Uber a slight improvement over most taxi services at present time.
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Re: UBER

Postby yossarian » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:14 pm

It is true that the reason they're cheaper is avoiding regulatory costs they have no right to avoid though....

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Re: UBER

Postby PertHJ » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:27 pm

The Ost wrote:
PertHJ wrote:The problem with uber is that they are a taxi company/coop pretending they are something else through good marketing/story telling.


I don't think that's true.


you don't think they're pretending? or you don't think they're a taxi company

The Ost wrote:Uber succeeds through providing a service that customers want.

Personally, I find Uber a slight improvement over most taxi services at present time.


I agree that they seem t be smashing it on the customer service front, this is clearly the upside of uber. However the lack of regulations/responsibility could potentially put the occasional unfortunate customer at risk.

Then there's everyone else that hurts from lack of regulation.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:53 am

9seconds wrote:smart cars just require smarter thieves, ive been following this a lot lately, seeing some of the latest shit that 4wd owners are putting in their rigs, any truck thief has a gps jammer, get with the times snuff


Loal, your average car thief is stealing cars because they're a fucking dummy, somehow I don't think they're going to be hosting a panel at def con this year. I think you've been watching too much Fast and the Furious champ.
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:50 am

wow... thats some pretty ignorant stuff to be saying in such a smug tone
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Re: UBER

Postby The Ost » Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:34 pm

PertHJ wrote:
The Ost wrote:
PertHJ wrote:The problem with uber is that they are a taxi company/coop pretending they are something else through good marketing/story telling.


I don't think that's true.


you don't think they're pretending? or you don't think they're a taxi company


I don't think they are pretending to be some sort of peer to peer, power to the people company. They may have done that at the beginning.

A number of the Uber drivers I have talked to either used to drive taxis, or continue to do so when they are not using their personal car with Uber.

As far as regulation goes, I agree with the general consensus here. In Australia, they have recently brought in new legislation in line to keep track of Uber. We'll see how it goes.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:41 pm

9seconds wrote:wow... thats some pretty ignorant stuff to be saying in such a smug tone


How so?
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:26 pm

snuff wrote:
9seconds wrote:wow... thats some pretty ignorant stuff to be saying in such a smug tone


How so?

cos youre denying well known easily verifiable facts in a condescending way. :baton:
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Re: UBER

Postby Red_switch » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:03 pm

J wrote:pretty surprised at the amount of people on here suggesting more government regulation rather than less exorbitant fees for taxi drivers to level the playing field.

also kinda funny how people wont use uber but have no problem jumping in a taxi with their macbook, iphones, slave made handbags and nikes lol.

dont really care who picks me up, just dont want to have to call a number, wait on hold, have no idea whos driving the car or if they are going the right way and fucking around with cash or broken/shitty eftpos machines.


100% there are issues with Taxis. But thinking Uber is a silver bullet is retarded and naive.

But fuck, I don't know, I take joy in walking. Haven't used a taxi since I was living in Invers (12 km out of town).
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:09 am

9seconds wrote:
snuff wrote:
9seconds wrote:wow... thats some pretty ignorant stuff to be saying in such a smug tone


How so?

cos youre denying well known easily verifiable facts in a condescending way. :baton:


So lets bring it back.

I was making the argument about how I believe Uber (being a Google backed product) will eventually be used in conjunction with their autonomous car network (Nevada and California are already in the process of passing legislation to allow these). Then you pull out this gem...

9seconds wrote:lol, i wonder how many times google cars will be hired to drive onto the back of transport vehicles and stolen.


Too which I rightly highlighted how easy it will be to find these cars being expertly stolen by being driven onto the back of transports (hence the F&F reference) - we're talking about fucking Google mate, have you forgotten about Snowden talking about the NSA's and GCHQ's use of Google Maps? Maybe you're not aware of Novero, or how quickly Tesla patch via their remote connection?

9seconds wrote:smart cars just require smarter thieves, ive been following this a lot lately, seeing some of the latest shit that 4wd owners are putting in their rigs, any truck thief has a gps jammer, get with the times snuff


So you are right in that thieves evolve with technology - the evolution of atm theft is evidence of this, maybe we could see more prolific ODB-II hacking? I don't know. However, with video game piracy only having about 2 years left due to the sophistication of drm, somehow I think a company with pretty much the smartest people on the planet working for it are going to come out on top here. Will some people try it on and attempt to steal some of these, probably. Will they be successful, possibly. But like I said, at the end of the day if you're stealing cars you're a fucking dummy.
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Re: UBER

Postby 9seconds » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:33 pm

yeh, but you ridiculed the specific method i mentioned, which is already being used successfully by car thieves in any local suburb you care to name.
will google being the smartest entity on earth(lol) come up with some ways to defend against this? probably, is what they will probably do anything to do with you making out that current, easily available, well known and reported on technology, is only in over the top silly hollywood action movies?
no, it is not.

if anything the google car would be able to sense when it leaves the road and refuse to do it, simply tracking it would be closing the door after the horse has bolted, or the google car has been stripped of parts and is in 15 different locations and still moving and multiplying.

my initial comment was just wondering, i bet a few do get nicked in some ingenious ways when they first appear, im picturing cunts backing trucks into loading docks, getting the car to drive on, and the passengers just start ripping it to bits as the truck drives away.
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Re: UBER

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Re: UBER

Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:46 am

Autonomous cars are also a largely retarded idea. Having more cars on the road, with fewer occupants in each, is unlikely to improve transportation for most people.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:37 am

Red_switch wrote:Autonomous cars are also a largely retarded idea. Having more cars on the road, with fewer occupants in each, is unlikely to improve transportation for most people.


Actually experts are predicting it would mean less cars.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... clays-says

There's also a whole host of other benefits including cleaner air and more green space in cities...
http://gizmodo.com/7-big-ways-our-citie ... 1748366449

Japan is looking at rolling out autonomous taxi's for the 2020 olympics.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/business/AJ201505290069
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Re: UBER

Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:27 pm

J wrote:cause everyone is just going to cycle and walk everywhere in your fantasy future right?

red_switch, knows more about autonomous vehicles than elon musk.

lol :explainittomelikeimfive:


Elon Musk is hedging his bets, actually, not even that. Most of his eggs are in mass transit.

Why not walk/cycle most places if you can? If most of your existence is urban, I recommend it personally.

We have a love affair with vehicles, and the supposed independence they grant us. We are going to have to get over that.

BTW, I think autonomous vehicles are great, but they are not a silver bullet for transportation issues. They certainly won't solve the problems that a city like Auckland faces (which is imposed largely by geography). And they certainly aren't a complete replacement for public transport (which is how many of their backers are billing them) - they simply aren't an efficient solution to that (which is why Musk has got such a hard on for his hyper loop). They probably will make our roads safer, eventually. They'll probably reduce the need to personally own a vehicle, without losing the "independence" that that grants.

Autonomous vehicles have been Google's major ambition for a long, long time now. That has been the main motivator for most of their geospatial work (i.e. Google Maps/Google Earth).

Anyway, who is Musk again? Another guy who we should supposedly pay attention to because he made a fuckton of money through (often dubious) business practice? Isn't that the same reason we are repeatedly told John Key is worth paying attention to? Most of his "ideas" now are not his ideas at all. He just leverages the shitty reality of IP law in the commercial world to take credit for the work of those who work for him (incidentally, staff turnover in most of his organisations is high). He's made a lot of money, so he has a lot of money to throw at problems. Sounds good on the surface, I agree. But he's in it for the money, not to make the world a better place. Just another fuckwit .com empire builder.

Just because every second business reporter at Bloomberg is head over heels for these guys doesn't mean they should be elevated to status of worship, or free from scrutiny (though they do a pretty good job of ensuring both).
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Re: UBER

Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:30 pm

snuff wrote:
Red_switch wrote:Autonomous cars are also a largely retarded idea. Having more cars on the road, with fewer occupants in each, is unlikely to improve transportation for most people.


Actually experts are predicting it would mean less cars.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... clays-says

There's also a whole host of other benefits including cleaner air and more green space in cities...
http://gizmodo.com/7-big-ways-our-citie ... 1748366449

Japan is looking at rolling out autonomous taxi's for the 2020 olympics.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/business/AJ201505290069


Those articles don't all say what you think they are saying for the sake of this argument. Fundamentally, small cars with only a few pax each are "bulkier" transport solutions than mass transit.

Most of the people who support this idea of an autonomous fleet do so because they don't like trains and buses. In NZ, Cameron Slater would be a prime example.
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Re: UBER

Postby snuff » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:47 pm

Red_switch wrote:Elon Musk is hedging his bets, actually, not even that. Most of his eggs are in mass transit.


I finished reading his biography recently, and yes it is mass transit but with mass transit being electric cars, space travel, and hyperloop. I'd say it's equally in renewables and infrastructure too though.

Red_switch wrote:Those articles don't all say what you think they are saying for the sake of this argument. Fundamentally, small cars with only a few pax each are "bulkier" transport solutions than mass transit.

Most of the people who support this idea of an autonomous fleet do so because they don't like trains and buses. In NZ, Cameron Slater would be a prime example.


I dunno if you've ever been to a major city like NYC or not but if you remove cars from say Manhattan, and limit it to autonomous taxis, delivery vehicles, and emergency services that's a pretty non existent vehicle footprint you're left with. And in cities like that which would only become more conducive to foot and bike traffic, how is that not a win? Arguing against it seems a bit redundant.
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