which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

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Internet/Mana
15
28%
Green
28
53%
United Future
0
No votes
Conservative
0
No votes
Maori
0
No votes
Labour
5
9%
NZ First
1
2%
ACT
0
No votes
National
2
4%
Legalise Cannabis
2
4%
 
Total votes: 53

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby 9seconds » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:32 pm

yeh... the point is tho, if you were against mana/internet cos of KDC, thats cos youre fucking stupid.
didnt read the policy, couldnt comprehend that he wasnt running to become prime minister, believed he was a nazi, whatever it was, its retarded.

but having said that, he was the problem, people are very stupid and he was an easy target for national and co, i feel like i was one of very few people saying this during the last month, now all of a sudden everybody is, kinda feel like telling them to fuck right off.
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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby aerozol » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:40 pm

9seconds wrote:yeh... the point is tho, if you were against mana/internet cos of KDC, thats cos youre fucking stupid.
True, but still makes Internet/Mana stupid for not counting on voters being stupid.
edit: eg pretty much what you're saying as well

But whatever. It doesn't matter now, that's for sure...

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Postby arkie » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:44 pm

Lurch wrote:Good to know that we still have a fair and balanced media.


it's ridiculous and worrying as national really doesn't like public broadcasting.

Martli wrote:The baby boomers hold the power because of their collective size, so it's inevitable they'll favour policies that suit them. It's short sighted, and it'll fuck them in the ass when we inevitably can't pay for their superannuation.


yeah this isn't going to be fun to live through.

scott penk wrote:Would have rather Conservatives got in than ACT

Think the 5% threshold for MMP is fucked.. that a party can get 4% and get no representation.


How people let national get away with that sock puppet shit with ACT, i don't know.

The electoral commission recommended that among other things after we had the MMP referendum. National have enacted none of them. I reckon it would be fairer if there wasn't a threshold at all.

Graeme Edgeler wrote:had this election been conducted with no threshold:

National – 57
ACT – 1
United Future – 1

Conservatives – 5

New Zealand First – 11
Maori Party – 2

Labour – 30
The Greens – 12
Internet MANA – 2

(total 121 MPs)

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby 9seconds » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:55 pm

aerozol wrote:
9seconds wrote:yeh... the point is tho, if you were against mana/internet cos of KDC, thats cos youre fucking stupid.
True, but still makes Internet/Mana stupid for not counting on voters being stupid.

yeh... thats why i reckon the left needs to campaign like the right does, it happens a little, pictures of john key as a lizard, or pulling the fingers with a 'fuck NZ' quote, real or otherwise.
but something slicker, casting the left in a better light, part of the problem is that the left(excluding labour -if you still think they are anything more than nominally left) doesnt aim for the lowest common denominator, at least not as accurately, they have excellent policy, but campaign too heavily on peoples consciences, 'feed the kids' is good, but too good, its do-goodery, it wears people down, they want positive messages, in fact that was in part what dotcom was supposed to bring, a youthful fun vibe, he was supposed to bring a youth vote with him, but i doubt many of the idjits chanting 'fuck john key' actually bothered to vote.

i dunno, i really my posts arent very clear and im only touching on points, and not finishing my thoughts, but im just feeling quite jaded by this whole thing right now.
rightwing people are so stupid, but they are a stupid majority, at least of voters.
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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Lurch » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:27 am

arkie wrote:The electoral commission recommended that among other things after we had the MMP referendum. National have enacted none of them. I reckon it would be fairer if there wasn't a threshold at all.

Graeme Edgeler wrote:had this election been conducted with no threshold:

National – 57
ACT – 1
United Future – 1

Conservatives – 5

New Zealand First – 11
Maori Party – 2

Labour – 30
The Greens – 12
Internet MANA – 2

(total 121 MPs)



See: what is wrong with that? The sky isn't going to fall on our heads if that was the line up. And still wouldn't even if it meant that a silly or one issue party like Civilian / Legalise Cannabis / Ban 1080 managed to get a seat. It is a lot fairer than that whole Epsom nonsense too: if people want Act then let them vote for the bloke on his merits, or chuck up a party vote.


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Lurch wrote:On the bus Friday morning I sat behind this genuine person:

"I hope that nobody votes Mana. If Kim Dotcom becomes Prime Minister I will leave the country. I think I'm going to vote National because I like the free health care for kids up to 13... last time I voted ACT. I just covered my eyes and randomly picked one"


Fucking bogans. It was hard to resist slapping her.


that is pretty much the exact attitude i kept on running into in the lead up to the election, dnt worry i set them fucking straight, but i just didnt realise how many of them there are.

this is going in my sig so we can all see why NZ cant have nice things.



I think the worst thing about that exchange, excepting my cowardliness/politeness, was that the main reason that the woman gave for voting National was a half-arsed version of a Labour policy. Which sums things up nicely, I guess.


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Lurch wrote:Fucking dotcom, man. Hopefully a proper leftest party rises from the ashes for 2017. Now that I've broken my Green voting run I'd rather not go back.

Mana will likely be back, and they'll likely still be the best left option out there.

They took a gamble on Internet Party and it didn't work (though while the KDC effect may have lost the left some overall votes it did gain I-M a seat (if they hadn't been screwed over)).

However, Mana have been very clear that they never merged with Internet party - they're still both separate (I-M was only formed for the duration of the election and coalition negotiations). Mana won't come out unscathed of course, but Hone is capable of taking his seat back - and no other left party can do that. Plus they do have imho pretty much the best policy of current parties for addressing inequity. It will be a slow return. Hone may take his seat back next election, hut it won't be till the following that votes have a chance to really grow.



I do appreciate Hone, but he can be pretty divisive. I guess a lot of people who would vote for a left/socialist/workers party are going to see through that: while bogans be bogans. Still I think that someone like Harre is possibly a better figure to build a party around? Out of all the things that KDC did, getting her as leader of IP was a top move.
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Postby 9seconds » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:11 pm

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Red_switch » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:52 pm

Where's that from?
I think it's lint.

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby 9seconds » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:58 pm

the internet, somebody thinks they are gunna contest the election, but key will just brush this off
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Postby Red_switch » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:12 pm

If there's any hint of substance to it, the electoral commission would have to take it seriously. It did occur to me that voting more than once probably wouldn't be all that difficult? (well, maybe for me, I had to special vote)
I think it's lint.

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Postby arkie » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:28 pm

I saw that too, and there are other examples too. Make a complaint to the Electoral Commission. They have to follow it up.

Mind you I also saw someone going on about 300k votes uncounted!!!11!! unaware that that's just the special votes yet to be finalised.

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Max » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:13 pm

I don't think the special votes will make a lot of difference in the end. There's slightly over 250000 special votes, and the Greens would need to get about 40000 of those to gain a seat. Even though special votes don't normally favour NZ First, but they only need about 10,000 to keep all their seats. If any list seats change hands it will be between national and labour, and it's more likely to go national's way than labour.

The electorate seats are not likely to change either, with the possible exception of Hutt South (Trevor Mallard). So basically, don't expect the situation to improve once they count the specials.

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Postby 9seconds » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:53 pm

Red_switch wrote:If there's any hint of substance to it, the electoral commission would have to take it seriously. It did occur to me that voting more than once probably wouldn't be all that difficult? (well, maybe for me, I had to special vote)

it would have been insanely easy to cheat at voting if you happened to know in advance the names of people who werent voting, to the point of enrolling them yourself(in advance of course) if you volunteered at any of the polling stations this could be even easier, in a rural locale anyway, since you might know the whereabouts of several people who abstained from voting so could just add their names and nobody would ever know.
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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby daggers » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:10 pm

the fact they don't check ID is beyond fucked
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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Lurch » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:42 pm

Yep, just handed over the perforated card that I got in the post, they asked if I was me, that was it. Bit piss poor. If that is the security technique just why the fuck can't we get internet voting? Drop the age to 16 like the Scots did, share that shit on facebook, good evening Prime Minister Turei.
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Postby 9seconds » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:22 pm

i didnt even have my easy vote card, they didnt ask for ID or nothing, fail to see how the easy card could have made it any easier honestly.
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Postby aerozol » Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:49 pm

daggers wrote:the fact they don't check ID is beyond fucked
I would disagree with requiring ID, the point is that there should be no barrier to voting, obviously this brings a slew of issues along with it, but by requiring ID the disadvantaged are the ones who are going to be affected most.

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Max » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:42 pm

The incentive to commit vote fraud is quite low really, even if you somehow manage to vote 10 times it's not likely to change the result. If you get caught violating electoral law and you're not a sports star, expect to have the book thrown at you.

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Postby akaxo » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:05 pm

i angrily sent labour an email today saying i was a long time volunteer and supporter, member for the last couple of years and had helped on their campaigns but will no longer have anything to do with them due to what they did in hone's seat. i'm done with them, they'll keep losing votes for the next couple of elections and be nothing more than a potential coalition partner for national if they don't sort their shit out.
9seconds wrote:i didnt even have my easy vote card, they didnt ask for ID or nothing, fail to see how the easy card could have made it any easier honestly.
pretty sure it just makes it easier for the person to look you up in the electoral role, it's got the page and line number on it :)
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Postby Lurch » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:57 pm

Good plan. I don't think I would have the same force behind me if I were to do the same, but might as well anyway. My second vote for the Greens represents a big fuck you to both the crips and bloods. I don't want either of you cunts in: there really isn't much difference any more. Hopefully Labour is heading to the grave for good. Anything to put FPP to bed for good. I'd rather have a NZ First / Greens government. Winston would be hilarious as Prime Minister.
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Postby Subcide » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:59 pm

I blame John key
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Postby undercover » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:47 am

akaxo wrote:...but will no longer have anything to do with them due to what they did in hone's seat. i'm done with them, they'll keep losing votes for the next couple of elections and be nothing more than a potential coalition partner for national if they don't sort their shit out...


Fuck yeah - I can't get past that either.... I moved to an electorate where my vote mighta made a difference (it didn't anyway), just to help em out.... won't bother doin' that again

Party vote for Mana didn't count either

I won't bother voting again, coz it feels like my non-vote would be way more significant than my vote.... but will continue to work for political movements on the ground

If lowering the threshold as someone showed above lands on the table I might reconsider that

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Lurch » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:20 am

Fucking media, and even National Radio commenters, are blaming Labour's performance essentially on the fact they they aren't enough like National where as the problem is they are too like National. "Heavy swing to the Left". Are you serious? If anything it was a swing to the centre from their current centre-right. But a very small and academic one. Fuck this country. Labour should be living up to their name, and the poor and working class should be voting for them instead of delusionally thinking that they are in fact millionaires.
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Postby undercover » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:25 am

other interesting thing that some ozzie left professor bloke was banging on about on national radio this morning was that what happened to labour here is also going on across the globe - UK, Australia, Germany.... they're just not capturing anyone's imagination/interest, anywhere....

that's largely politics-fatigue, which the right thrives on, but it is also a lack of convincing alternative

they need to own being a niche party now and learn how the fuck to work with other minorities

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby arkie » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:37 am

The ozzie on NatRadio was a former president of the ALP, and he's right, the 'Right' of politics is on the ascendancy worldwide.

I personally think Labour is too similar to National, they didn't go left enough. But the thing is that in a lot of ways the left/right dichotomy is an illusion. In modern political theory they have largely abandoned those labels. Just like America, the UK, Canada and Australia, the main parties here have more in common than they differ, they both represent the new(-ish) policital stance of Globalisation. interesting read here. Hence why i don't like either the crips or the bloods.

Case and point; 1) Labours problems with the TPPA are that they haven't had a look at the deal, they don't object to it in principle. Auntie Helens government is the one that setup our dairy industrys reliance on China with the FTA way back in 2008.
2) Five Eyes / waihope spying has been stepped up worldwide as part of the War on Terror, at least since 2003, so Labour was aware and complicit in the increased spying activity since then. You notice that Cunliffe really didn't pursue that issue last week either.
3) Many senior Labour figures are they same as those involved in the big privitisation purge of the 80's and 90's. People like Goff et al would be quite at home in the National party. They are deeply uncomfortable with the necessary differentiation that the bloods will have to do if they want to represent an alternative to the way the crips run things.

Anyway it's probably good that the left didn't win as it looks like the Nats have an economic storm to weather coming up due to the massive drop in the dairy forecasts. I wouldn't be surprised if JK bails to Hawaii sometime during this term, after he's done his bit. Let the Greens and labour (if they can stomach it) inherit the woes in 2017.

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Postby 9seconds » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:04 am

undercover wrote:they need to own being a niche party now and learn how the fuck to work with other minorities

i want them to DIE.
i only reserve more contempt for National and their slimey sycophantic lickspittles like colin craig and whoever heads ACT these days.
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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby Max » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:54 am

I want to see the Labour Party die. They have no coherent philosophy, they are tainted by their 1980s flirtation with free market economics and they are totally out of touch with the people of new zealand. Let the Greens be the primary opposition party.

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Postby Rizzo » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:19 am

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Postby 9seconds » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:55 am

yup, the left needs to get the monkey off its back
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Postby Dan Last » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:23 pm

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Re: which horses arse will you chuck your vote up?

Postby 9seconds » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:54 am

Actually while we're on the subject, can people stop referring to Labour and National as 'bloods and crips' I know its a very fucking clever and funny reference to their similarities despite their superficial differences, but its oooooold and just looks like you're trying to be down with the kids.

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