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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:48 pm

Well that went off-topic quickly.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Martli » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:52 pm

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Postby Martli » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:56 pm

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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:57 pm

Martli wrote:Tell us more about the man in the tent, Adolf.

Tell me more about how a blind man navigates a text based forum, seeing as you seem to have ignored all the facts I have presented, and resorted to insults. How droll.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Martli » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:00 pm

Oh come on, that wasn't ad hominem, it was just trolling! I haven't even tried to argue with you!
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:03 pm

You.. You called me hitler :lol:
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby xsfat » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:09 pm

Would you be this mad if it were someone pretending to be Maori to claim treaty settlements?

Who is or is not Maori, is for Maori to decide, in accordance with their own custom. That is the very meaning of self-determination.
So for example, if a child (of any race) is adopted and brought up through the Whangai practice, they are no less part of a Maori whanau.
Connections and associations can be formed by means other than bloodlines and descendancy. Your (world)views are a bit narrow.

The Palestine conflict is one issue. As far as I'm concerned, there are many Jewish people around the world who are far removed from the Palestine conflict. Whether you intended to or not, your label of Jewish people as usurpers, and whatever negative connotations you place on them based on their ethnicity or beliefs (or lack thereof), it's discrimination plain and simple.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:45 pm

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Would you be this mad if it were someone pretending to be Maori to claim treaty settlements?

Who is or is not Maori, is for Maori to decide, in accordance with their own custom. That is the very meaning of self-determination.

The Palestine conflict is one issue. As far as I'm concerned, there are many Jewish people around the world who are far removed from the Palestine conflict. Whether you intended to or not, your label of Jewish people as usurpers, and whatever negative connotations you place on them based on their ethnicity or beliefs (or lack thereof), it's discrimination plain and simple.

It isn't discrimination you wally, they aren't JEWS. They are CONVERTS!
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby ghetto ninja » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:50 pm

And you are judging a massive group of people as if they are some sort of hive intelligence.
Mike I remember quite a few conversations with you maybe two three years ago where you drunkenly demonstrated some pretty extreme forms of discrimination against this group youre referring to as jewISH.
Its discrimination.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:58 pm

ghetto ninja wrote:And you are judging a massive group of people as if they are some sort of hive intelligence.
Mike I remember quite a few conversations with you maybe two three years ago where you drunkenly demonstrated some pretty extreme forms of discrimination against this group youre referring to as jewISH.
Its discrimination.

They're the ones stealing the identity of an ethnicity to steal land and commit gentrification against an entire population! And you call me discriminatory?

Edit: you are right that my wording makes it seem as if I'm pointing the finger at each and every Jewish person, but that isn't the case. They too have been swindled into believing they are the true heirs to Jerusalem, and many of them are so extreme in this view that they would condemn an entire population to death to further that agenda!
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby ghetto ninja » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:15 pm

Rude Mike wrote:They're the ones stealing the identity of an ethnicity to steal land and commit gentrification against an entire population! And you call me discriminatory?

Yep.
I dont think any of my Israeli friends chose to steal their Identity.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby FC » Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:55 pm

This thread is becoming more and more depressing. Gotta distinguish between Israelis and the State of Israel.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby MuscleMan » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:38 am

I think its easier to assume he's referring to Old mate Ben and his cronies.

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Postby Rude Mike » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:59 am

FC wrote:This thread is becoming more and more depressing. Gotta distinguish between Israelis and the State of Israel.

Well yes, that was the accusation I was leaning towards; but I admit it is easy to generalise when the Israeli government pays Jewish people to move over..
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby FC » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:00 am

Guess it depends on your language though. So far, you aren't being particular convincing.
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Postby ghetto ninja » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:56 am

Rude Mike wrote: the Israeli government pays Jewish people to move over..

So does the UAE with its people. The UAE also pays its young people a weekly allowance while they stay here. I don't hear you condemning Arabs though.
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Postby Rude Mike » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:39 pm

You mean Saudi Arabia, the Wahabbi fascist Zionist cock-sucker regime?
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Saudi Arabia is the most hypocritical Arab nation of them all.
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Postby ghetto ninja » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:44 pm

All great, well thought out arguments bobby. Youre making heaps of great points that are totally swaying my opinions.
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Postby Rude Mike » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:51 pm

If it's a true statement, why is there a need to think about what I wish to convey?
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Rude Mike » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:21 pm

nazi scum wrote:I hate those cunts that werent born in Taranaki but then move there and think they're Taranaki-ites. Really they're only Taranaki-ish. Usurpers the lot of them.

I'd say that would be an apt comparison; except- the people I'm talking about are currently displacing an entire population to stake their claim on a land their family has literally no connection to.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby ghetto ninja » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:28 pm

You're still talking about these people as if they all unconditionally support what there government is trying to achieve.
Do you support everything our governments doing? I dont.
I sure hope that some pissant from halfway round the world wouldnt judge me by my governments actions.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Martli » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:19 am

I think it's hard to separate the actions of the state from the people to a certain degree, especially when you're a democracy. If the state is (supposedly) accountable to the people then surely they're enacting the will of those people, at least in part. The Israeli people have the power to vote in a government that acts differently, but they haven't. Surely they also have to at least be held partly accountable for the actions of their government?
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Postby Martli » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:22 am

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Nice, but I prefer the original :wink:

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Postby akaxo » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:41 am

it is a particularly catchy tune


Martli wrote:I think it's hard to separate the actions of the state from the people to a certain degree, especially when you're a democracy. If the state is (supposedly) accountable to the people then surely they're enacting the will of those people, at least in part. The Israeli people have the power to vote in a government that acts differently, but they haven't. Surely they also have to at least be held partly accountable for the actions of their government?
this.

there might be a minority of israeli citizens that disagree with the govt policy but it is a functioning democracy and the government is accountable to it's citizens. the citizens of a country are collectively responsible for the actions of the government they elect, that's why germany had to pay billions in reparations over decades that came in a large part out of taxes from it's citizens due to the actions of it's government. the citizens collectively paid for what the govt they elected did and likewise the citizens of israel should be collectively responsible for the war crimes of it's government. it wasn't just the german people that voted for the nsdap that had an extra levy imposed on them, they all did.
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Postby dustbinflowers » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:37 pm

by that reckoning Akaxo, we in NZ are all cunts, based on the government which is presently in power, despite it being a minority government that most people in NZ did not vote in. Without knowing anything much about the system of democracy that Israel works under, I'd say it probably isn't that black and white. Especially since Israel is highly religious, and highly militarised (sp?), and so may be a democracy in name only.
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Postby akaxo » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:57 pm

you can't absolve yourself of responsibility for what your govt does based on what box you tick.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Martli » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:18 pm

dustbinflowers wrote:by that reckoning Akaxo, we in NZ are all cunts, based on the government which is presently in power, despite it being a minority government that most people in NZ did not vote in. Without knowing anything much about the system of democracy that Israel works under, I'd say it probably isn't that black and white. Especially since Israel is highly religious, and highly militarised (sp?), and so may be a democracy in name only.


I don't think anyone is saying the blame should be laid solely on the people. But I did say that the Israeli people should be partly accountable. Laying the "blame" solely on the Israeli state is just as bad as making "blanket statements" about Jews or Israelis, to simply please those who may disagree with what the state does...

Israel has a Democracy index rating of 7.53 according to this which labels it a "flawed democracy". To me this says that the people at least have some say in what their government does. Maybe not the same degree we might have in NZ.
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Re: NZ 'needs population of 15 million for growth'

Postby Max » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:47 pm

dustbinflowers wrote: Especially since Israel is highly religious, and highly militarised (sp?), and so may be a democracy in name only.


Actually most Israelis are secular. For most of them being Jewish is a matter of ethnic/cultural identity rather than religious conviction.

By the way genetic studies have discredited the theory that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from the Khazars rather than the ancient Hebrews.


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