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john key appeals to female voters in election year

Postby akaxo » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:04 am

by talking to that well known supporter of women's equality tony veitch on the radio about which celebrities he'd want to root. what a kiwi bloke.

top candidates for a having a sweaty groaning john key thrusting away at them include liz hurley, jessica alba and angelina jolie...

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Re: john key appeals to female voters in election year

Postby yourstruly » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:34 am

the thought of John Key having sex sickens me deeply. But i don't understand how anything he said is "a little bit 1960s".

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Postby Craig_Bastard » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:54 am

Sounds like he wants to be an English Soccer commentator....
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Postby General Mutante » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:23 pm

If I think of John Key and sex, it tends to involve him being the anal gimp in a Turkish sex dungeon.
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Postby PertHJ » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:13 pm

Fuck that's embarrassing.


far worse that the Late Show fiasco imo
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Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:20 pm

PertHJ wrote:Fuck that's embarrassing.


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Postby buckton » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:22 pm

Liz Hurley had a go with Shane Warne so he might be in with a chance.
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Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:22 pm

"Those women who might be upset at his comments are obviously just disappointed they never made John Key's list and never will."


obviously.

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Postby cracker jack » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:09 pm

[quote="yourstruly"]the thought of John Key having sex sickens me deeply. quote]


Me too but not quite as much as the thought of someone pumping Helen Clark
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Re: john key appeals to female voters in election year

Postby Red_switch » Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:58 pm

classic kiwi bloke fuckwitry at it's best.

I'm not really sure that the father of a couple of teenagers talking about which celebrities he'd like to pump on the radio is really "family man" type stuff... and wtf, Liz Hurley, full of Warne cum and pancake titted, and Angelina Jolie is just not hot. Alba, fair enough, but I dunno that she'd be into a fatty like JK.
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Postby bridge. » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:47 am

you guys have an entire thread of this stuff in the reviews section. Just pointing that out.


I know John Key sucks and all...and that interview sounds like it was probably pretty cringe-inducing, but still.

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Postby akaxo » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:07 am

haha true but pretty sure none of the people posting in those threads were laughing about it with someone who'd been convicted of throwing their partner done some stairs and kicking her in the back hard enough to fracture her spine whilst writing such things. and aren't the leader of a country.
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Postby Phlegm » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:57 am

I'm surprised he hasn't said "The All Whites, The Black Caps and The All Blacks" after all he lurks around at most of their important games.
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Postby PertHJ » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:44 am

Red_switch wrote:classic kiwi bloke fuckwitry at it's best.

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and wtf, Liz Hurley, full of Warne cum and pancake titted, and Angelina Jolie is just not hot. Alba, fair enough, but I dunno that she'd be into a fatty like JK.


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bridge. wrote:you guys have an entire thread of this stuff in the reviews section. Just pointing that out.


I know John Key sucks and all...and that interview sounds like it was probably pretty cringe-inducing, but still.


There's a big difference between some relative no bodies posting some shit on the internet, and the leader of our country saying that stuff on air. He's the person representing our country....It must make him look pretty pathetic to the rest of the world.
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Postby bridge. » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:08 am

akaxo wrote:haha true but pretty sure none of the people posting in those threads were laughing about it with someone who'd been convicted of throwing their partner done some stairs and kicking her in the back hard enough to fracture her spine whilst writing such things. and aren't the leader of a country.


That's not really relevant though. Saying you find celebrities hot isn't really dodgy or inapporpriate in any way....and i'm struggling to figure out how that's directly related to domestic violence.

PertHJ wrote:There's a big difference between some relative no bodies posting some shit on the internet, and the leader of our country saying that stuff on air. He's the person representing our country....It must make him look pretty pathetic to the rest of the world.


Except the rest of the world isn't really the target audience here. Really what it does is make him look entirely normal and personable. Same reason Obama is asked about basketball, and why Berlusconi was popular til he took it a bit far etc etc.


Basically you guys are just picking on this because you don't like him. Not because there's any actual problem with it.


Pretty funny though that someone is saying John Key is a man of strong family values, right after he's just said he reckons it'd be cool to be Tiger Woods.

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Postby akaxo » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:16 am

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akaxo wrote:haha true but pretty sure none of the people posting in those threads were laughing about it with someone who'd been convicted of throwing their partner done some stairs and kicking her in the back hard enough to fracture her spine whilst writing such things. and aren't the leader of a country.


That's not really relevant though. Saying you find celebrities hot isn't really dodgy or inapporpriate in any way....and i'm struggling to figure out how that's directly related to domestic violence.
oh i think it's particularly relevant. the fact he even went on a show hosted by veitch is of most interest to me. esp considering in 2008 as opposition leader he was saying that the minister of broadcasting needed to do more to investigate who knew what about veitch in tvnz and that if the allegations were found to be true, which they were, veitch should never return to a broadcasting role. two and a half years later key is on a show with him laughing and joking with him about which famous "hot" women he'd want to fuck and the other "benefits" to being tiger woods than just the money. shows what a man of principle he is and how much he really must have meant what he said in 2008.

article quoting key from 2008

the actual quotes from the show by key are just a bit sad, pathetic and :roll: really
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Postby bridge. » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:37 am

So...your issue with this is that he's talking to Tony Veitch at all? As opposed to the subject matter?

To be fair...i'd be more scathing of those original 2008 comments than the fact he's gone back on them.

I think it's a fairly damaging message to send, that once you've done something like that you'll "never work in this town again" - not really going to encourage people to seek help for domestic violence problems if they'll be completely marginalised, even after they've undergone councelling, paid reparations and been executed by the media.

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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:16 pm

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akaxo wrote:haha true but pretty sure none of the people posting in those threads were laughing about it with someone who'd been convicted of throwing their partner done some stairs and kicking her in the back hard enough to fracture her spine whilst writing such things. and aren't the leader of a country.


That's not really relevant though. Saying you find celebrities hot isn't really dodgy or inapporpriate in any way....and i'm struggling to figure out how that's directly related to domestic violence.

PertHJ wrote:There's a big difference between some relative no bodies posting some shit on the internet, and the leader of our country saying that stuff on air. He's the person representing our country....It must make him look pretty pathetic to the rest of the world.


Except the rest of the world isn't really the target audience here. Really what it does is make him look entirely normal and personable. Same reason Obama is asked about basketball, and why Berlusconi was popular til he took it a bit far etc etc.


Basically you guys are just picking on this because you don't like him. Not because there's any actual problem with it.


Pretty funny though that someone is saying John Key is a man of strong family values, right after he's just said he reckons it'd be cool to be Tiger Woods.


Exactly, it's a load of horse shit, if if nothing else reflects how retarded so many people in this country are.
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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:17 pm

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Red_switch wrote:classic kiwi bloke fuckwitry at it's best.

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and wtf, Liz Hurley, full of Warne cum and pancake titted, and Angelina Jolie is just not hot. Alba, fair enough, but I dunno that she'd be into a fatty like JK.


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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:19 pm

fuck bridge what are you, a fan boi?

I think akaxo's perspective is pretty fuckin spot on in this case. What veitch did was pretty fucked, holding him up as an example of a good kiwi bloke who's into his sports is also pretty fucked imo. It's also pretty ironic given the way many ordinary people are treated and have their lives completely fucked through much less serious and much more ridiculous situations. I've seen that shit at it's worst.
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Postby akaxo » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:23 pm

bridge. wrote:So...your issue with this is that he's talking to Tony Veitch at all? As opposed to the subject matter?

To be fair...i'd be more scathing of those original 2008 comments than the fact he's gone back on them.

I think it's a fairly damaging message to send, that once you've done something like that you'll "never work in this town again" - not really going to encourage people to seek help for domestic violence problems if they'll be completely marginalised, even after they've undergone councelling, paid reparations and been executed by the media.
yeah i know and it's a tricky one. but veitch didn't exactly show a hell of a lot of genuine remorse, got a pretty damn light sentence imo ($10k ain't much for someone of his means and 300hrs community service for nearly paralysing his partner?) and i don't know if he actually did any counselling, the only requirement in his sentence for it was IF his parole officer considered it necessary. i have zero sympathy for a public figure who does what veitch did, "execution by media" is to be expected.

i guess it comes down to expecting or wanting a higher standard from the leader of the country than would be expected from the average person. not an unresonable expectation i'd have thought. having some rugger player talk to veitch, ok, after all it was a sports show, but the prime minister??
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Postby Matt » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:32 pm

I think that last point is the critical one. This is not a bunch of lads talking shite on a forum with their mates, this is the elected leader of our country speaking on public radio. I think it's totally fair to expect the highest standards of dignity in such circumstances. He is supposed to represent the very best of us.

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Postby bridge. » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:49 pm

Yeah and in the eyes of that specific audience he was!

This honestly is the most ridiculous thing to get upset about. Yous would make terrible politicians just saying.



And Akaxo...pretty sure he went to councelling voluntarily right after it happened, that's why he wasn't required to do more. While media execution was probably warranted at the time, offering people NO support afterwards should not be ok. That guy tried to commit suicide twice afterwards. The justice system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, but media imposed justice seems completely the opposite.

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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:50 pm

akaxo wrote:
bridge. wrote:So...your issue with this is that he's talking to Tony Veitch at all? As opposed to the subject matter?

To be fair...i'd be more scathing of those original 2008 comments than the fact he's gone back on them.

I think it's a fairly damaging message to send, that once you've done something like that you'll "never work in this town again" - not really going to encourage people to seek help for domestic violence problems if they'll be completely marginalised, even after they've undergone councelling, paid reparations and been executed by the media.
yeah i know and it's a tricky one. but veitch didn't exactly show a hell of a lot of genuine remorse, got a pretty damn light sentence imo ($10k ain't much for someone of his means and 300hrs community service for nearly paralysing his partner?) and i don't know if he actually did any counselling, the only requirement in his sentence for it was IF his parole officer considered it necessary. i have zero sympathy for a public figure who does what veitch did, "execution by media" is to be expected.

That sort of shit is fucked. At the same time, I have a good mate doing 7 months home detention over an assault that was a product of an utter cunt who crashed a party out our place beating the shit out of another good mate of ours, for no apparent reason (our mate who was beaten up was charged with indecent assault by the CIB, fuck knows why, and thank fuck the judge saw right through that shit), the dude who beat up our mate got off with nothing (no charges at all, despite a shitload of statements to the CIB that would suggest there should have been) although he did get a ridiculous payout (from a guy who was a completely broke student, his parents had to take out a loan) and the satisfaction of pretty much destroying the future of a promising athlete. Fuck that whole experience completely eroded my remaining confidence in the police (which wasn't much) and knowing what cunts like Veitch get away with makes it even worse. This is bad, but sitting through our mates sentencing made me really fucking pissed about the absolute, unverified, shit that can make it into a victim impact statement. Fuck I wish that shit had gone to trial in some ways, but ultimately it was easier, cheaper and safer for our mate to take the guilty plea and bank on home detention, rather than risk a very likely stretch in prison if he'd been found guilty by trial.

i guess it comes down to expecting or wanting a higher standard from the leader of the country than would be expected from the average person. not an unresonable expectation i'd have thought. having some rugger player talk to veitch, ok, after all it was a sports show, but the prime minister??

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Postby General Mutante » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:52 pm

This is what you get when you attempt to hound someone to death and do a half-arsed job of it. They keep coming back up like a bad smell. All it would have taken was a bit more effort and the cunt would be worm food.
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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:54 pm

bridge. wrote:Yeah and in the eyes of that specific audience he was!

Wow, generalise much? I listen to radio sport a bit, and I think that it's fucked.

This honestly is the most ridiculous thing to get upset about. Yous would make terrible politicians just saying.



And Akaxo...pretty sure he went to councelling voluntarily right after it happened, that's why he wasn't required to do more. While media execution was probably warranted at the time, offering people NO support afterwards should not be ok. That guy tried to commit suicide twice afterwards. The justice system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, but media imposed justice seems completely the opposite.

At the same time, nat-lover types demand that people are locked up and the key thrown away over far more trivial shit. What would the sst say about this? Ridiculous I know but I think it reflects a pretty out of whack attitude. The justice system is not really about rehabilitation, or victims rights, in its conception, it's about punishing people in the context of relevant law. Rehabilitation and victim rights stuff has been poorly tacked on over time, it's a separate issue really, but the whole system needs to be overhauled.
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Postby arkie » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:09 pm

Red_switch wrote:The justice system is not really about rehabilitation, or victims rights, in its conception, it's about punishing people in the context of relevant law.

I would disagree with you there, it may not have been formulated in a time when rehab or victims rights were a concern, but at it's core the 400+ year old judicial system is about following the fairest path to achieving 'Justice'. It's a lofty aim and it fails to satisfy everyone some of the time, but that is part of it.

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Postby akaxo » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:12 pm

bridge. wrote:This honestly is the most ridiculous thing to get upset about. Yous would make terrible politicians just saying.



And Akaxo...pretty sure he went to councelling voluntarily right after it happened, that's why he wasn't required to do more. While media execution was probably warranted at the time, offering people NO support afterwards should not be ok. That guy tried to commit suicide twice afterwards. The justice system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, but media imposed justice seems completely the opposite.
good thing i have no intention of becoming a politician then :wink:

completely agree that there should be a focus on rehabilitation (which as was just pointed out isn't the case enough) and the need for on going support for some offenders but that doesn't really change the fact it shows up key's hypocrisy (again as red_switch just pointed out) and willingness to appeal to the lowest common denominator, not traits at all desirable in a leader.

and that makes sense re the counselling, the IF part in the sentence is a bit more understandable in that case.
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Postby Red_switch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:17 pm

arkie wrote:
Red_switch wrote:The justice system is not really about rehabilitation, or victims rights, in its conception, it's about punishing people in the context of relevant law.

I would disagree with you there, it may not have been formulated in a time when rehab or victims rights were a concern, but at it's core the 400+ year old judicial system is about following the fairest path to achieving 'Justice'. It's a lofty aim and it fails to satisfy everyone some of the time, but that is part of it.


Yea I probably didn't articulate that really well, and we probably mean to say the same thing... but generally justice is considered from the states perspective, where crimes are committed against the state (i.e. an offence to the crown or whatever the fuck they call it) rather than the individual/victim, yea?
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Postby arkie » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:33 pm

Something like that,
I think in the modern context, the media and the politicians mispresent the justice system to garner attention.
The prosecution (the Crown), is a representative of the state, but is meant to be separate from the legistature (the government) for reasons that were similar all those years before.
Both labour and national have done their bit to reduce court times, toughen sentences, altered burdens-of-proof etc. etc. all of which fucks with a system that has worked most of the time for so many centuries.
The law society and the law commission both have been moaning about these and other watering-downs of 'Justice' which is understandable as a system that is imperfect but fair is far better than than an efficient but unfair one.


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