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Postby akaxo » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:11 pm

arkie wrote:Animals that are born in and raised in complete captivity are not aware of any other existance, so surely it's just living for them (this is not to say that raising animals in cages or boiler barns is ethical, but ethics is a human construction, something to appease our own unease with our complete circumnavigation of the forces of nature possibly). Staring at a wall could be considered better than staring down the barrel of a charging lion or whatever preys on the animal in question, being feed and watered could be considered better than risking becoming a meal for said lion whilst searching for food and water, being electrocuted and bled out could be considered better than being chased until collapsing of exhaustion and being suffocated by one lion whilst the others begin to eat... Maybe I have seen too many David Attenborough documentaries.


completely disagree with this sorry (actually na, i'm not sorry at all), personally i'd rather be free and have a life with risk than be locked up from birth till death and would think it's the best option for any animal as it's the sort of existence they evolved to have. carry your argument further and you'd be advocating keeping people locked up for their own safety, in case they get hit by a drunk driver or whatever. surely having to stay at home staring at the tv is better than staring at the headlights of a car heading towards you and ending up dead or in hospital?

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It's fucked that things that people could be eating are being fed to animals whilst 'another child starves'.
And *for me* the animals welfare is second to the starving child.

farming animals for food is way less efficient at providing protein than growing plant protein for people so growing soy or whatever instead is a win-win for the animals and those poor starving kids you keep mentioning. more food produced per acre and no enslavement of other sentient beings. and animals are definitely fed more than just grass, clover etc here. palm kernel from indonesia for a start but that's a whole other issue.
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Postby arkie » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:25 pm

akaxo wrote:completely disagree with this sorry (actually na, i'm not sorry at all), personally i'd rather be free and have a life with risk than be locked up from birth till death and would think it's the best option for any animal as it's the sort of existence they evolved to have. carry your argument further and you'd be advocating keeping people locked up for their own safety, in case they get hit by a drunk driver or whatever. surely having to stay at home staring at the tv is better than staring at the headlights of a car heading towards you and ending up dead or in hospital?

You say you would personally rather be free. I can understand that, you are a human being with thoughts. Animals don't have thoughts, they don't have language. To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar. So my arguement is that an animal that is caged has no comprhension of freedom or captivity. it only knows what it has experienced, and even then it won't be cogniscant of it's situation, it will just continue living, which is the drive of everything until it's life is extinguished. There is a clear delineation between animals and humans that my arguement wouldn't and hasn't crossed. I am not even advocating locking animals up if you re-read my posts.
Also in your unnecessary extesion of my arguement you can't be hit by a drunk driver cos everyone is locked up watching tv right?

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Postby FC » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:27 pm

arkie wrote:You say you would personally rather be free. I can understand that, you are a human being with thoughts. Animals don't have thoughts, they don't have language. To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.


Thats just not true.
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Postby PertHJ » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:41 pm

Yeah that's absurd. Why are you vegetarian again?
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Postby akaxo » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:52 pm

wow, didn't the whole idea that "animals don't have thoughts" that arkie's argument is based on get proven wrong decades ago?
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Postby xSUSPECTx » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:07 pm

i want to club this guy til his thoughts come out his ears
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Postby Maleficent » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:14 pm

My cats have thoughts. Sure they can't write me a sonnet, but that's just a language barrier.

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Postby xSUSPECTx » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:16 pm

if he was born in a cage he would probably rather stay there, cos a dog might smother him.
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Postby ghetto ninja » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:50 pm

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arkie wrote:You say you would personally rather be free. I can understand that, you are a human being with thoughts. Animals don't have thoughts, they don't have language. To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.


Thats just not true.

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Postby xSUSPECTx » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:04 pm

arkie wrote:To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.

you know, this might explain blair and jeffjack
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Spots2012 wrote:do animal rights activists vehemently oppose Maori eating pigs etc, or are they willing to let that one slide?

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arkie wrote:To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.

you know, this might explain blair and jeffjack


I dunno, this Arkie guy is using language and grammar but severely lacking thoughts.
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Postby vorpalblade » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:43 am

arkie wrote: delusional I will be. I have been vegetarian for more than three years .




Seen you eat wild pork at my house last week. Just sayin'
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the croc wrote:
xSUSPECTx wrote:
arkie wrote:To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.

you know, this might explain blair and jeffjack


I dunno, this Arkie guy is using language and grammar but severely lacking thoughts.
maybe its just accidental, like when animals express emotion
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Postby mark tyler » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:07 pm

vorpalblade wrote:
arkie wrote: delusional I will be. I have been vegetarian for more than three years .




Seen you eat wild pork at my house last week. Just sayin'


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Postby Dick Dynamite » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:26 pm

arkie wrote:You say you would personally rather be free. I can understand that, you are a human being with thoughts. Animals don't have thoughts, they don't have language. To have thoughts you need to be able to use language and grammar.


Christian? (the religious ideology, not JeffJack)

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Postby dustbinflowers » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:19 pm

http://bit.ly/9yYTqY

an interesting article on animals and empathy.
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Postby Fiction & Falsehood » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:28 pm

the most underrated thread in the history of punkas. (archi never returned after his last post in this thread)

i kept a steady loal all the way thru this thread.
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Postby Lurch » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:40 pm

I don't think I want to read the thread all the way through. That article was absolutely amazing, and nothing can come close to matching it. Time to turn of the computer for the internet has been won for another night.
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Postby Fiction & Falsehood » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:42 pm

no, youre wrong, while the article was amazing, it set the tone for the entire thread, it was wall to wall hilarity apart from a wet blanket attempt from arkie that resulted in further loals anyway
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Postby Dead Kid » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:03 pm

Yeah, great thread. Hadn't remembered how much he wanted to punch our entire country in the teeth...

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:lol: For all he knew, the song could be about us getting together to eat our dogs and hurl our cats:

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Postby General Mutante » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:16 pm

I wonder whatever happened to Archie...
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Postby Fiction & Falsehood » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:01 am

arkie wrote:death and suffering are a part of living and for us to continue to live other things must die, whether that is the animal that becomes our meal or shoes, or the countless other forms of life we crush / destroy as part of living.
When someone rails about the mistreatment of domesticated food animals I just have to bite my tongue.
The inference is that an animals 'rights' and well-being are more important than a human beings.
They often haven't thought about how vicious, senseless and cruel the natural world is, and any domestic animal that is not mistreated is living the 'high life' as far as animal life is concerned.


i cant believe how stupid this is, if there was any truth in it why dont animals flock to live in farms? how come they keep trying to escape?
its like he thinks they are incapable of thought or learning... oh wait, he goes on to say exactly that later on... lol

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Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:25 am

Think you missed his point. Although I do disagree with animals not having thoughts or feelings. I don't think he was trying to justify animal abuse
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Postby Dead Kid » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:48 am

Fiction & Falsehood wrote:if there was any truth in it why dont animals flock to live in farms? how come they keep trying to escape?

Instinct. Deep down inside they're punxas and just want to rebel against the man's rules.
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Dead Kid wrote:
Fiction & Falsehood wrote:if there was any truth in it why dont animals flock to live in farms? how come they keep trying to escape?

Instinct. Deep down inside they're punxas and just want to rebel against the man's rules.


What about animals from middle income parents?
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Postby Dead Kid » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:27 am

the croc wrote:What about animals from middle income parents?

Just in it for the looks.

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Postby dustbinflowers » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:38 am

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Postby MuscleMan » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:44 pm

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Postby Fiction & Falsehood » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:42 pm

mmmm....good crack wrote:Think you missed his point. Although I do disagree with animals not having thoughts or feelings. I don't think he was trying to justify animal abuse

i dont think he was trying to justify animal abuse exactly, i was just amazed that somebody actually thinks a chicken in a shed has it better than wild animals.
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