arkie wrote:Animals that are born in and raised in complete captivity are not aware of any other existance, so surely it's just living for them (this is not to say that raising animals in cages or boiler barns is ethical, but ethics is a human construction, something to appease our own unease with our complete circumnavigation of the forces of nature possibly). Staring at a wall could be considered better than staring down the barrel of a charging lion or whatever preys on the animal in question, being feed and watered could be considered better than risking becoming a meal for said lion whilst searching for food and water, being electrocuted and bled out could be considered better than being chased until collapsing of exhaustion and being suffocated by one lion whilst the others begin to eat... Maybe I have seen too many David Attenborough documentaries.
completely disagree with this sorry (actually na, i'm not sorry at all), personally i'd rather be free and have a life with risk than be locked up from birth till death and would think it's the best option for any animal as it's the sort of existence they evolved to have. carry your argument further and you'd be advocating keeping people locked up for their own safety, in case they get hit by a drunk driver or whatever. surely having to stay at home staring at the tv is better than staring at the headlights of a car heading towards you and ending up dead or in hospital?
arkie wrote:The figures Akaxo gave were UK animals though, here there is enough vegetation that we don't need to supplement animals diets with soy flour. I'm sure it's still done though.
It's fucked that things that people could be eating are being fed to animals whilst 'another child starves'.
And *for me* the animals welfare is second to the starving child.
farming animals for food is way less efficient at providing protein than growing plant protein for people so growing soy or whatever instead is a win-win for the animals and those poor starving kids you keep mentioning. more food produced per acre and no enslavement of other sentient beings. and animals are definitely fed more than just grass, clover etc here. palm kernel from indonesia for a start but that's a whole other issue.