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Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby the croc » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:12 pm

All New Zealand prisons will be smokefree within a year.
The Government has announced a total ban on smoking to take effect from 1 July 2011. The ban also extends to lighters and matches.
There will be a year-long campaign to help prisoners quit smoking, including an education programme and access to patches and nicotine replacements.
At present prisoners are allowed to smoke in their cells and in designated outside areas.
But the Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, says about two-thirds of prisoners smoke, which results in a serious health risk to inmates and staff.
And she says also banning matches and lighters will make prisons safer, because they are currently used to melt toothbrushes and plastic utensils and turn them into weapons, as well as to light toilet paper which is then thrown at guards.
Ms Collins says the Government may yet face lawsuits from staff and inmates objecting to being exposed to secondhand smoke.


http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2 ... 480acb8761

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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby fuzz » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:24 pm

A step too far imo.

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Postby Andrew_TA » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:24 pm

like it says, they don't let people drink/smoke p etc.. how is smoking different?

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Postby the croc » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:27 pm

fuzz wrote:A step too far imo.


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Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:36 pm

i agree. unlike alcohol and p, smoking cigarettes doesn't make prisoners any more aggressive/harder to deal with. banning cigarettes will. retarded idea. and it's not like you can't sharpen the end of a toothbrush by other means either so that sort of thing is stretching it for justification.
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Postby [Tim] » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:44 pm

Sounds like they are trying to purposely cause prison violence to justify changes to the system further down the track.

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Postby the croc » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:46 pm

Havoc ahead - Lashlie

Former prison manager Celia Lashlie predicts havoc in prisons following a ban on smoking.
The former head of Christchurch Women's Prison told Nine to Noon the move is not about secondhand smoke. She says the Government is trying to appeal to "redneck" New Zealanders by appearing tough on people in prison.

She says there are many ways for prisons to manage the situation so non-smokers are not affected by secondhand smoke.
Ms Lashlie says a ban will only cause trouble among inmates and prison staff will be stretched even more than they are already.

She says prisons are already unable to deliver some basic services, and would struggle to pay for the quit programmes and replacement therapies needed to make the ban work.

Earlier, the Corrections Association said people coming off nicotine can be aggressive and anxious.
President Beven Hanlon said it's inevitable that banning smoking in prisons will lead to increased violence. He also said it will lead to a blackmarket trade in tobacco.

Rethinking Crime and Punishment project director Kim Workman, who was previously the head of the prison service, ssays going smoke-free will be hugely unpopular amongst prisoners.


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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby Marrow » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:01 pm

pretty harsh/unnecessary imho. I wonder if you cited religious reasons you could get around it

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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:09 pm

ha well think of it from the point of view of the corrections staff then who will have a bunch of grumpy fucked off people going through nicotine withdrawal to deal with and then there's the extra costs to the corrections dept (the tax payer) to provide help to quit etc etc
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Postby YULE » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:13 pm

dumb move by a dumb government. The blue wave of change has really brought some significant benefits eh?

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Postby Former Child Star » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:20 pm

i think it's a good idea
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Postby CowzOr » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:49 pm

It's a prison but it's also a workplace. Smoking is banned in most workplaces, including hotels which is another place of work that people live in
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Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:01 pm

people staying hotels can bugger off outside whenever they want though, prisoners can't. well not since addington minimum security closed anyway haha

smoking in prison cells is specially covered in the smoke free environments act

can't see any way that this is a good idea other than the same arguments that would apply to banning smoking anywhere at anytime
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Postby the croc » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:02 pm

I guess I could probably sue the government for smoking in my workplace.
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Postby CowzOr » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:16 pm

akaxo wrote:people staying hotels can bugger off outside whenever they want though, prisoners can't.


Yeah, because they're in prison for being a bastard. When you put your kids in time-out it's probably without toys too.
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:25 pm

not all prisoners are in there for being bastards, just for getting caught breaking the law :wink:

the main argument for it not being a good idea though are those about it possibly increasing violence levels in prisons etc put forward by the correction workers union CANZ and it being a further drain on the departments resources to enforce it and to help addicts quit
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Postby BloodFuck » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:09 pm

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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby xSUSPECTx » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:22 pm

one of those moments when some of the people on punkas as show just how right wing and stupid they really are.

this is ONLY about further punishment, there are no other reasons, personally i think smoking should be banned EVERYWHERE, but youre a pretty low person if you just want to take something else away from people who have already had practically everything taken, akin to cheering starving children imo.
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Postby General Mutante » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:29 pm

akaxo wrote:well not since addington minimum security closed anyway


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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:38 pm

haha i heard stories from people who'd been in there that they used to pop down to the addington shops to buy stuff with no one being any the wiser
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby general » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:51 pm

seems like a bad move to me. what's the benefit? as having no experience with this sort of thing, i assume prisoners smoke outside anyway?

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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby ghetto ninja » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:23 pm

general wrote:what's the benefit?

Exactly. I dont really buy her imaginary future law suits (which any employer is prone to or culpable for given the scenario she suggested).
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby akaxo » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:38 pm

yeah unless that american company that runs private prisons all over the world that is looking at running them here is worried about getting sued so has asked the govt to ban it?? then they won't have to worry about it once private prisons get the go ahead

prisoners can currently smoke in their cells as well as in designated outside areas. when double bunking they have to avoid putting smokers and non-smokers together when possible though
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby xSUSPECTx » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:54 pm

they dont really worry about that
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby rebecca666 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:03 pm

i think it is absolute bullshit.

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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby ghetto ninja » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:18 pm

^^^ I think you're Logan Muir the third.
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby FC » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:25 pm

Not according to Jay.
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby xSUSPECTx » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:28 pm

haha of course YOU asked
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Re: Govt Bans All Smoking In Prisons

Postby FC » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:29 pm

Well its clearly what you all wanted to know, I have him on MSN. Bit young phil, even if I was you.


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