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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby chrisbucks » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:13 pm

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Reiterating my point of honesty


Honestly?
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Fearful_Jesuit » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:14 pm

Going to university didn't help me get a higher-paid job, but it probably helped me get a more interesting job.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Ben Fats » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:18 pm

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niXon wrote:You said to be honest twice, not really good paragraph structure.


Reiterating my point of honesty


Honestly?



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby general » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:43 pm

in my experience those who've been on the payroll longer are worth less than new recruits when its a tight labour market

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Red_switch » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:52 pm

sneakers o'toole wrote:wait till you leave the country, your degree in NZ will mean sweet fuck all...


Maybe for you...
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Phlegm » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:53 pm

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sneakers o'toole wrote:wait till you leave the country, your degree in NZ will mean sweet fuck all...


Maybe for you...



Agreed. My degree lead to six years living and working in another continent.

The graph doesn't seem to account for those who leave the country which qualified New Zealanders do in large numbers percentage-wise.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby cirE » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:37 pm

What's the point of going to University in NZ?

more opportunities to gettin laaaaaaaaaaaaaid, my man! :D :D :D :D :D :D page 3 and i'm first to note this lol ALL PRUDES :mrgreen: :fist:
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby xsfat » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:40 pm

The graph doesn't seem to account for those who leave the country which qualified New Zealanders do in large numbers percentage-wise.

The graph shows that NZ employers pay very little premium for a tertiary education qualification compared to other countries.
The same degree may attract a higher premium by overseas employers, and many NZders do find themselves better off overseas.
I guess this wouldn't be a problem for places like USA where students pay most of their tertiary fees.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby ghetto ninja » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:40 pm

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Postby Huey » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:07 am

Keep your bras on. I'm allowed say it in an ironic sense vis-a-vis South Park.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby General Mutante » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:03 pm

It's just that you generally tend to fail miserably at humour, and you're up against some true loal commanders on here so may as well just stop trying. Then maybe you've got an outside chance of some unintentional loals, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Postby Huey » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:16 pm

General Mutante wrote:It's just that you generally tend to fail miserably at humour, and you're up against some true loal commanders on here so may as well just stop trying. Then maybe you've got an outside chance of some unintentional loals, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Rob Anybody » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:17 pm

Huey wrote:Trust me, I am ahead of the curve, you just don't realize it.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby General Mutante » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:40 pm

I wish I could be ahead of the curve. Then I might finally be able to fellate myself without putting my back out.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby martyrdamn » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:30 pm

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What's the point of going to University in NZ?

more opportunities to gettin laaaaaaaaaaaaaid, my man! :D :D :D :D :D :D page 3 and i'm first to note this lol ALL PRUDES :mrgreen: :fist:


this.

+ money for nothing, good hours and learning interesting shit. is pretty much the whole point I guess.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Lummoxgrinder » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:01 pm

Trades are where it's at poeple.

Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA

I went to polytech for 6 months to do a pre-trade course. Did about 6 years in engineering now moved fields to become a Electrician / Technician. Pay is really fucking good at the moment. Got a wicked as van and phone. Still only a 1st year apprentice too. Boss is a pretty good cunt.

University is not for everyone. I never even thought about going. For starters I wouldn't even know what to do. I'd rather be working getting my hands dirty, fixing shit, making shit. Way more fun.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Dixon Cider A.C. » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:20 pm

Lummoxgrinder wrote: I'd rather be working getting my hands dirty, fixing shit, making shit. Way more fun.


HARD.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

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Lummoxgrinder wrote: I'd rather be working getting my hands dirty, fixing shit, making shit. Way more fun.


HARD.


Yea but have you seen the price of a 1940s EL Knuckle Head here in NZ even in basket case form?!?

I need my computer degree to pay for the shit I want to get my hands dirty, fix, make with.

Uni is a means to an end. Piece of land somewhere, good sized barn and then just me, a bunch of relic V-Twins, some steel and a Mig. Then computers can go back to been used for what they are good for... PORN!!!

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:34 am

Lummoxgrinder wrote:Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA


We'll all vote labour again and theyll legislate against you and make it so you can only charge reasonable rates that are far less than what you charge now and then you'll all be FUCKED.



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Postby Don Lope de Aguirre » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:43 am

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Lummoxgrinder wrote:Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA


We'll all vote labour again and theyll legislate against you and make it so you can only charge reasonable rates that are far less than what you charge now and then you'll all be FUCKED.



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Oh I see what you did there..
Valid point.

Hmmm...

How bout if that happens we wont work and nothing will get done. There will be nobody to fix your car, Nobody to fix the broken down equipment at KFC, nobody to unclog your shitter. I think that's called a strike and I'm pretty sure they are effective.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Dan Last » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:52 am

Haha, this is kind of like that retarded example about the wealthy getting taxed too hard and leaving the country, except we'd actually be proper fucked.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Rob Anybody » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:00 am

Lummoxgrinder wrote:
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Lummoxgrinder wrote:Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA


We'll all vote labour again and theyll legislate against you and make it so you can only charge reasonable rates that are far less than what you charge now and then you'll all be FUCKED.



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Oh I see what you did there..
Valid point.

Hmmm...

How bout if that happens we wont work and nothing will get done. There will be nobody to fix your car, Nobody to fix the broken down equipment at KFC, nobody to unclog your shitter. I think that's called a strike and I'm pretty sure they are effective.


haha, it wont work, this is a country filled with people who will offer to fix it for a box of beer, KFC might be fucked, but ive never taken a car to a mechanic in my life, and if youre too fuckin stupid to unblock a toilet... :roll:
the kind of plumber that unblocks toilets isnt really the kind of plumber that overcharges and goes on strikes either, the young flash plumbers wouldnt get their hands dirty doing that, only the oldschool would and most of them arent so demanding, i think it would hurt their pride and work ethic to go on strike for pay at fucking $120 an hour :x
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby steeltoedsneakers » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:17 am

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People with higher qualifications earn more on average than those without. However, the low unemployment in New Zealand and the tradition of low disparities in earnings in this country means that employers pay a very low wage premium for tertiary qualifications. Among men, the earnings margin enjoyed by men with tertiary qualifications was the lowest in the OECD in 2006. Among women with a degree or higher, the premium was the fifth lowest in the OECD.


Earnings premium for holding a tertiary education qualification (2006), New Zealand and selected OECD countries
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low disparities in earnings is a good thing... isn't it? if uni meant you'd roll into a job that paid way heaps mean wages, the national income inequality factor would worsen.. isn't the US one of the worst countries in terms of inequality in that sense? that said, we are lagging behind denmark, finland and norway, and anyone that's remotely studied global politics/policy knows that the scandinavians are like the OECD teachers' pets.. so heading for that 30-40 mark might be warranted.. but there are consequences to paying people as much as they think they should be entitled to..
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Red_switch » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:09 am

Lummoxgrinder wrote:Trades are where it's at poeple.

Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA

I went to polytech for 6 months to do a pre-trade course. Did about 6 years in engineering now moved fields to become a Electrician / Technician. Pay is really fucking good at the moment. Got a wicked as van and phone. Still only a 1st year apprentice too. Boss is a pretty good cunt.

University is not for everyone. I never even thought about going. For starters I wouldn't even know what to do. I'd rather be working getting my hands dirty, fixing shit, making shit. Way more fun.


I'm at uni, and that's exactly what I do a lot of the time... Far man you should see the number of tradies who have been dumped on their asses over in queenstown, supermarkets can't afford to keep them on forever. A lot of my mates have gone into trades, apprenticeships can be a bit of a lottery really, especially if you were going into one a couple of years back, one guy I know worked for a year and a half below minimum wage doing thorough bitch work to try get his foot in to get an apprenticeship with a good outfit.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:01 am

Lummoxgrinder wrote:
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Lummoxgrinder wrote:Just wait till there is an actual shortage of tradespeople. We'll be able to charge whatever we want. HAHAHAHAHAHA


We'll all vote labour again and theyll legislate against you and make it so you can only charge reasonable rates that are far less than what you charge now and then you'll all be FUCKED.



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Oh I see what you did there..
Valid point.

Hmmm...

How bout if that happens we wont work and nothing will get done. There will be nobody to fix your car, Nobody to fix the broken down equipment at KFC, nobody to unclog your shitter. I think that's called a strike and I'm pretty sure they are effective.


Then we vote national again, and they come and beat you into submission.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Lummoxgrinder » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:36 pm

Rob Anybody wrote:and if youre too fuckin stupid to unblock a toilet... :roll:


Not the same I know but when I was working in wanaka I was called round to a house to change batteries in a sky remote FFS. Get calls to change fuses and shit all the time. I just tell people how to do it over the phone.

Some people are actually fucking stupid. Alot of people don't know how things work so they will just call a tradesman. Why do you think there are so many companies that start will A or 123 in the yellow pages.

You say old school plumbers... What happens when there are no old school plumbers left. I've found working on building sites and in factories over the years there is a massive gap between tradesmen and apprentices/young tradesmen. There are shit loads of 40/45+ tradesmen and loads of apprentices but there is a huge gap in between. That's where down the track when the trademen of today who will take all their old school but still good methods with them into retirement and there will be fuck all people to take their place. Hence a massive shortage which drives up demand and prices.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Rob Anybody » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:42 am

some good points... well the stupid people, you can make money off them i guess, that doesnt bother me.
and yeh youre right about the plumbers i guess, i dont think it will effect me much, i can probably fix any home plumbing problem myself, especially with the good old internet handy, the only trouble will be acquiring fittings etc since i can no longer get a trade price i dont think(will find out soon since i wanna make a potater gun)
basically if tradespeople start going on strike i think they will simply lose a shitheap of customers and other people will step up to the plate in their place.

i can do most concrete or plumbing type shit anyone needs doing when lummoxgrinder an his mates go on strike, gimme a call il work for half of whatever they want, expenses neg, have contacts for other trades also. :mrgreen:
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Lummoxgrinder » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:35 pm

Not a plumber. I'm a fitter/turner/electrican/security tech/heatpump installer. Don't worry I'm not striking fuck that.

Might just go to uni


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