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What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby xsfat » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:12 am

Each year, the OECD compares the performance of the education systems among its member nations. I noticed an interesting observation:

People with higher qualifications earn more on average than those without. However, the low unemployment in New Zealand and the tradition of low disparities in earnings in this country means that employers pay a very low wage premium for tertiary qualifications. Among men, the earnings margin enjoyed by men with tertiary qualifications was the lowest in the OECD in 2006. Among women with a degree or higher, the premium was the fifth lowest in the OECD.


Earnings premium for holding a tertiary education qualification (2006), New Zealand and selected OECD countries
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Huey » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:33 am

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What's the point of going to University in NZ?


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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby sneakers o'toole » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:10 am

wait till you leave the country, your degree in NZ will mean sweet fuck all...

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby cool guy69 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:13 am

yeh who gives a fuck.just move to dargaville and grow buds.
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Postby Danny Morrissey » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:27 am

Probably some insame earners from ivy league schools etc pulling those stats out, using mean vs median for the calculation.
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Postby Any Day Now » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:34 am

It's kinda wierd, most of the people I know who left school and did trade type courses earn way more than those who went to uni, I did a polytech style one year tertiary course and earn more than most of my friends that have degrees, quite a lot of them dont even work in what they studied in and have ended up in retail... these are just the people I know though, probably different in other groups of people.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby bridge. » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:54 am

Probably different if you don't do an arts/commerce degree.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Matt » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:00 am

Yeah, it totally depends on the degree. You can get a job you couldn't without one, and that job can lead to better jobs - here or overseas.

I know of many companies in the industry I'm in (contract technology development) that have a flat rule to not employ anyone without an appropriate degree. Obviously, it's different for non-technical areas, so I think it's a case-by-case thing and dependent on what you want to do for a living.

In the end, experience always trumps qualifications - qualifications seem pretty much just to get you into that first job. If you don't need the qualification for that first job, then you're probably fine.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:18 am

The moment that university becomes about getting a job rather than getting an education is the moment it becomes a glorified polytech.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby fingers » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:20 am

what year did you start uni aiden? 2002?

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Matt » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:24 am

Yeah, I don't know about that, Aidan. I don't think the two need to be mutually exclusive. I've learnt far, far more on the job than I ever did at Uni and yet I'm still using skills I learnt in the ivory tower on a day-to-day basis. Plus it has the benefit of producing real-world outcomes as opposed to an undergraduate degree where you basically just do practice exercises.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:34 am

2001 leith.

I guess for some degrees there is a pretty large element of "you do this course, you get this job" but even then its not the case for everyone. I still think university should be about gaining skills and knowledge that you can put to work in a number of different careers. It should be about opening doors to different opportunities, rather than opening the door of your new porsche cause you only did it so you could earn a squillion dollars a year.




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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Matt » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:38 am

FC wrote:I guess for some degrees there is a pretty large element of "you do this course, you get this job" but even then its not the case for everyone. I still think university should be about gaining skills and knowledge that you can put to work in a number of different careers. It should be about opening doors to different opportunities, rather than opening the door of your new porsche cause you only did it so you could earn a squillion dollars a year.


Yeah, totally. I'm not sure we're actually disagreeing. I was seeing a 'job' as one of those opportunities, not simply an income, which is what I was trying to explain.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:40 am

Well then I guess we arent really disagreeing haha.

The people that piss me off the most at uni are engineers, because theyre pretty much all going off to be engineers, mostly cause they heard it pays really well, not because they have any real interest in engineering (at least from talking to the first years I supervise labs for). Plus, theyre mostly douchebags.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Matt » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:47 am

I think it's a bit weird to expect some 17-year-old kid to know how they want to spend the rest of their life, so a decision like that feels like one destined for misery unless you're blessed with some amazing clarity of vision or have an overwhelming passion for one thing.

Although I think most degrees have quite a lot of flexibility, as do most career paths. Even a seemingly specialised degree like medicine can lead to a whole raft of jobs with radically different day-to-day activities.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby FC » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:48 am

Half the engineers drop out anyway. I think something like a third of the PhDs here are people who started off doing engineering then switched to chemistry when they found it sucked balls.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby El Heavio » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:06 am

FC wrote:Half the engineers drop out anyway.

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Yeah when i started my music degreee our class went from 25 to 9 in the first 6 months then down to 5 after the first year, basically weeding out all the kids who's parents told them they had to go to tertiary study after high-school, or who didnt actually care about music enough.

Im stoked i spend 4 years studying in NZ, even if i am working a crap retail job at the moment. Its just a fact of life in this country that there arent many walk-in jobs in the arts, you have to do it for yourself, and actually be good. Having a degree just makes this easier to understand.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby crackheavy » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:52 am

A degree is nothing unless you have postgrad to your name. Otherwise may as well stick to the trades. It makes me throw up inside a little when they let every man and his dog into uni, most of them learning in hope of getting a better quality of life in terms of wealth, when they will be much better of doing trade. I fully support making it really hard to get in and having the government pay for it entirely. The jobs that graduates land in the majority of the time don't require anything you learnt from uni and oculd probably have been done but any old high school junkie at the end of the day.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby niXon » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:54 am

I though the point of University was having a few years off while getting $150 a week from the government (to be paid back of course), while having as much fun as you can before settling into working for the rest of your life?
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Rob Anybody » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:10 pm

FC wrote:Well then I guess we arent really disagreeing haha.

The people that piss me off the most at uni are engineers, because theyre pretty much all going off to be engineers, mostly cause they heard it pays really well, not because they have any real interest in engineering (at least from talking to the first years I supervise labs for). Plus, theyre mostly douchebags.



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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby bridge. » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:24 pm

It's pretty difficult to do any good at engineering if you have no real interest in it, just cause it's so involved.

This is why i sucked at it so much. Ironically, now that i've finished i find it fascinating.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Rob Anybody » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:26 pm

we had some pretty hardcase conversations about concrete, i.e. what he thinsk you have to do and what i think... worlds apart.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Kerry » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:35 pm

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Don Lope de Aguirre » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:18 pm

I agree with phaedrus and Aidan in this thread.

I go to uni precisely because I don't want to get a real job, I'd much rather sit around talking about metaphysics and epistemology and Greek tragedy and sleep until lunchtime everyday.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby General Mutante » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:21 pm

I dropped out of university and have a well paying job that allows me to sleep in until lunchtime every day and provides me with adequate sick leave which I'm using right now.

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Ben Fats » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:31 pm

The first thing they said to me when i started my course was, you're probably not going to get a job in this industry or at least the one you want anyway and that didn't stop me to be honest i couldn't give a fuck less where i end up after the course I'll just be happy to have gained all the knowledge. I'm actually pretty keen on learning a trade after anyway to be honest.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby niXon » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:40 pm

You said to be honest twice, not really good paragraph structure.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby xsfat » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:24 pm

This is why i sucked at it so much. Ironically, now that i've finished i find it fascinating.

true for me as well I guess. I wasn't that dedicated to the course work, which is reflected in my average grades.
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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby garyasfulla » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:36 pm

Making kitchens is the trade to be in, don't have to worry about weather and everyones wife wants a new kitchen (learn that whilst working an awful job in trade retail).

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Re: What's the point of going to University in NZ?

Postby Ben Fats » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:23 am

niXon wrote:You said to be honest twice, not really good paragraph structure.


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