nah haven't had the time, fuckn work so it may take a while but it will happen. shouldn't even be up now on the fuckn interwebLegDog wrote:So you managed to find it Phil?
Mar sin leibh
Wax wrote:yeh racist maori of the ilk i described are both very intimidating to a skinny red haired white boy on his own, and very fuckin stupid and the equivilent of a racist 'white power' bonehead. so i dont judge all Maori activists by them, but unfortunatly ive met so many racists and bully types wearing the flag of Maori sovereignity on a Tshirt that it takes away alot from a cause i could concievably support..
Wax wrote: certainly most the people i know who have an intelligent opinion yet still dont agree with land rights, are not going to benefit themselves and perhaps take a simaler view to the Propaghandi quote that Al posted above...
Wax wrote:as for the 'pseudo-historians' i wont agree that they were written with overt racism in mind, of course we must specify arguments and articles when we talk of this, which i dont have time for, i havnt read any of these articles in fucking years, not since i got kicked out of a very pertinant archaeological internet group for bringing up these historical anomilies then arguing forcefuly-getting angry and using bad words- for investigation by internationaly recognised archaeologists to come here, and authenticate findings.
Wax wrote:i agree that culture is dynamic and everchanging, a growing thing, i think that maybe Maori, at least as a name are a later addition to a culture that was ever growing, a warrior class that came and took over a people previously here, perhaps a more advanced people who knows...
phil wrote:kia ora mel, your point on the fluid nature of culture is a good one. it is undeniable that maori were the people of this land when pakeha arrived and continue to be tangata whenua regardless of the exact ethnic constituition of maori.
i dont speak any Gaelic, mores the pity.phil wrote:Ciamar a tha sibh a phil?,
Mel wrote:I've noted in other threads where pre-European history has been brought up, that some people whakapapa back to their maunga and so therefore claim they have been here forever, they never came from Hawaiiki. A more believable claim is that these supposed great canoe migrations didn't occur - rather that a whole lot of peoples from different parts of the Pacific sailed here and populated these isles, all at different times.
those sites in question were not the ones that made be believe that there is credibility to the claim of an Ancient Aotearoa, but they have brought attention to it, indeed i first became interested when i heard of 'Celtic NZ' as foolish a concept as it is, much the same as Blink182 sometimes get people into punkrock
so heres to shit getting sorted, theres certainly lots of crap hindering it in the likes of Don Brash, but almost weekly i hear another story about a govt funded-maori only scheme that raises an uproar from conservative middle class people who feel they are missing out on something, Maori push for these things little realising(or maybe just not caring) about the division it causes.
i suppose if they can keep us diverted fighting each other, we as a nation wont ever wake up to the myriad social, political and economic crimes being perpetuated against us all regardless of race or culture...
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