samina wrote:Mel I want to know if you have any ancesters that are European e.g. Celtic or Anglo Saxon etc. ? If you do why are you dismissing the possibility that these cultures could've arived in New Zealand before the Maori. Aren't you being dis-respectful to those ancestors by saying what you are saying, and don't you think that your European ancestors deserve respect as well?
I don't think this country should be divided the way it is because there is no pure breed of race left in this country as we are all made up of many races. Like for myself I am Swedish, Jewish, French, Irish, Scottish and English and still researching.
Samina, I've already said countless times that I have Irish Scottish and Dutch ancestry. These are from my ancestors who arrived here on whaling boats and jumped ship.
Read what I wrote earlier. More slowly.
Here it is again:
I am not denying that there MAY have been earlier people here.
BUT MAORI ARE THE RECOGNISED INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF AOTEAROA. WE SIGNED A TREATY WHICH HAS BEEN DISHONOURED.
Why are these people so keen to disprove that?
What is the aim here?
Are they scared they are going to 'lose' something ?
Are these people trying to prove - like they do everytime someone comes out with the colonialist Moriori/Maruiwi myth - that IF Maori were not the first people here, then we too are therefore not a 'blameless' culture and are owed nothing?
That if Maori were not here first, pakeha do not need to listen or be tolerant of Maori people?
There is nothing in those articles to prove or disprove the Celtic/Chinese/Mauryan/Phonecian theories. They see a ring of stones and some idiot draws obvious conclusions that they look like stone rings back in the highlands - like Celts were the only people to ever arrange things in circles?
What is this I read?
A superiority complex, perhaps?
THOSE ARTICLES WERE WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY TO UNDERMINE MAORI.
IT IS ALL CONJECTURE. AS CONJECTURE, I SAY YES, IT IS POSSIBLE. IT IS ALSO ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT I AM THE GODDESS OF DEATH, WHILE WE ARE ABOUT IT.
But let's be pragmatic here.
There was a Declaration of Independence first. Then a Treaty, which has been dishonoured, is still being dishonoured, today.
Trying to undermine Maori by saying 'the Celts were here first, nyah, you don't have no rights and in fact owe us' is not the way to deal with cultural intolerance, bigotry and racism is it?
By saying that the Celts were here first, does that mean that gave Pakeha soldiers the right to kill and maim innocent women and children?
Is that enough recognition of 'heritage' for you?
It is very childish and a refusal of responsibility - which is the way stupid people deal with things. We should aspire to be People who want to work towards better communities or a better future for their children.
I do not think I am being disrespectful. I think YOU are being disrespectful to an entire culture by trying to tell them that they are not the First Peoples of Aotearoa. That's just fucking rude.
And do not even think to ask me about my heritage. I refuse to discuss any whanau stories with someone like you. Don't you even fucking try and tell me about respecting my tupuna. You're asking for trouble on that one. That's just more rudeness.
I don't question you about your personal family life - I'll thank you not to question me about mine. Learn some fucking manners.
What you are doing is divisive. It also shows that you think through oneupmanship you can shut people like me the hell up then you won't have to ever worry about us brown folk ever again. that ain't gonna happen. Those articles are written by bigots and they are anti-Maori.
Some of us have already talked extensively about the nature of history as propaganda. If these people had perhaps written their articles in a less slanted vein, maybe I would be willing to believe it. But they aren't. Like Snidekick said :
Like you, I wouldn't discount it entirely but it is one of the least likely conclusions to be drawn from the evidence they have. They could have come forward and said "hey we have found some unusual structures and think they should be researched more thouroughly" but no all of a sudden its the Celts, coincidentally the ancestors of the Authors that were here first.
So whats your motive behind posting this stuff up, Samina?
Why do you so fervently believe that the Celts were here first?
Do you feel better about the oppression of Maori now?
Do you think dishonouring the Treaty was somehow justified now you can say that the Celts were here first?