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Postby The Cancer » Fri May 02, 2003 5:04 pm

Way ahead of ya buddy!
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Postby ob1 kenobicore » Fri May 02, 2003 7:58 pm

Mess wrote:the police are the ones the start the violence... fucks sakes



i couldn't agree more

also i think direct action in animal rights does achieve alot i mean liberations do if u liberate animals u still achieved something even if u only liberated one you gave that one animal it's life back and that is something to be fucking stoked about
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Postby The Cancer » Sat May 03, 2003 10:39 am

"even if u only liberated one you gave that one animal it's life back and that is something to be fucking stoked about"

What if it was a duck? Then wouldn't you feel like you wasted your time and risked being arrested for nothing?
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Postby xCaptainx » Sun May 04, 2003 9:20 pm

I'm not causing shit. What I am saying is that with a little bit of intelligence, some research, a well thought out march and well written leaflets/articles, 'may day' events could be a hell of alot more peacefull, and more informative.

Did ANYONE even think of getting the media on to this with a positive spin on things? I'm sure flipside would have loved to have done an article on this with some intelligent individiuals to interview.

Hell, some well written pieces to local papers and/or media would have probably paved the way to a very informative bit in the media/telly.

But no, trashing shit and assaulting people seems to be the most logical way to do things around here. Why am I even bothering, ignorance fued by stupidity is a sad sad thing, I pity you manuel, I really do.

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Postby xsfat » Sun May 04, 2003 11:37 pm

i think theres truth on both sides ie peaceful protest & direct action
what exactly do u stand for manual? not bein rude or anythin, jst wonderin

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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Sun May 04, 2003 11:42 pm

manuel, i don't mean violence against innocent people and shit... but smashing the windows of nike/mcdonalds/starbucks/starmart, thats a fucking good way to go!

ross, have you ever been to welly? you walk down any street, and basically every third shop is a star mart, theres atleast 3 on every fucking street!
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Postby xCaptainx » Sun May 04, 2003 11:51 pm

I lived in auckland for nearly 10 years, I dont need to be lectured about city life :roll:

and Sarah, I understand what your saying abou the animal thing, but really.........smash a window and save one animal, or change legislation via politics and intelligent manipulation of mass media and save millions? basically, would you rather use muscle or brains?

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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Sun May 04, 2003 11:53 pm

-Conflict, From Protest To Resistance

No, theres no fucking way that anything's going to change, it depends on you and you know! We can protest til death, they won't listeb, don't sit back and think it will happen. They won't give up what they've robbed, stand up and resist
But the leaders have caught on, we see that they've prepared for civil war. While on our side we squabble about who does what and who sells more. Theres women with just one reason, to fight for their equality forgetting the system holds superiority.

First we've got to come together, so fuck the differences, It doesn't matter if its noise or music to them, WE ALL talk piss. To them we're the sick farce now lets prove them right. If we're to stand the slightest chance, we must unite and fight. We must never give up, make sure our message ain't forgotten, thats if they don't fucking stop, then we're gonna fucking stop them!"
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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Sun May 04, 2003 11:55 pm

ross, you stupid fucking idiotic bastard... do you seriously believe you can manipulate the government to change an entire nation to the vegan lifestyle?


liberate the animals, any means necessary.
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Postby xsfat » Mon May 05, 2003 12:05 am

why would we want vegan lifestyle as a law? IF vegan lifestyle was a law, it would be shit law, the people cant even decide what constitute veganism & what doesnt. are we goin to have a veganism authority?
by the way, my definition of direct action is different to yours.
i would consider what ross is saying as direct action
although hes not actualy performing these direct action

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Postby xCaptainx » Mon May 05, 2003 12:10 am

Alex, why would I want to? I'm not vegan at all, I was mearly using that example because it was what Sarah was talking about, and it is something that I know Sarah feels strongly about, using an example that she is close to would have made my statement make more sense to her.

I was mearly showing her how passive, non violent means would be better in the long run, I have no grand dilussions of taking over the government, far from it. I was mearly trying to show that a well informed public is better then a brick through a window.

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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Mon May 05, 2003 12:20 am

ross, if you feel that being passive and reasonable is better than blowing shit up, why is it that when people try to reason with you in a calm rational kinda way, even on a fucking messageboard, you still take on this pretentious tone and like, shoot everyone down at all costs? and if the government or whatever authority we're targeting is anything like you, you're advice is fucking piss weak..
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Postby xCaptainx » Mon May 05, 2003 12:28 am

calm and rational way? lol just called me a stupid fucking idiot bastard! and your first post in this thread was 'fuck Ross your a moron' although I am glad we have been able to have a calm and rational argument for hte majority of this tread, apart from a few of your outburts.

And hey, I'm sorry if your lack of debating skills makes you feel like I have a pretentious tone. I'm simply showing alternatives to the views shown here, and stating my opinions.

All I'm doing it participating in a debate (well what I feel is a debate anyway) I'm not attacking anyone personally, hopefully not insulting anyone personally.

In a debate you rebut against peoples statements, and try and show alternatives, or reasons why you think they are wrong. I apologise if you think thats 'pretentious', its just me 'debating' and nothing more.

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Postby xsfat » Mon May 05, 2003 12:31 am

dont mix violent action/vandalism with direct action.

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Postby xCaptainx » Mon May 05, 2003 12:34 am

dont mix marmite and yoghurt either. That would taste disgusting.

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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Mon May 05, 2003 12:41 am

i wasn't talking about this thread in particular, or saying the way i am is calm or rational... i was talking about you in general, and your posts in a lot of other threads... you should take the advice you're giving in this thread.


direct action can be violent action ethel... "vandalism" is the wrong word though... sabotage is a btter one to use.

ie; the fake anthrax letters sent simultaneously to three sydney mcdonalds, which in turn shut down all mcdonalds sydney wide for 3 days..
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Postby xsfat » Mon May 05, 2003 12:47 am

"direct action can be violent action"
yes, i was merely pointing out that direct does not HAVE to be violent. violent action is a sub group of direct action so to speak.
the anthrax letters are ace. i dont condone wondow breakin tho.
mainly cuz its not funny. smearing poo all over the toilet would be funny as

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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Mon May 05, 2003 12:53 am

ethel, seeing as you're a law student, you'll be familiar with the unabomber... now theres a fucking amazing case of radical violent direct action.. Theodore Kaczynski, even if he was a schizo or whatever, he had some fucking radical thoughts, and he fucking went ahead and did everything he could to achieve his "green anarchy"..
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Postby phaedrus » Mon May 05, 2003 1:58 am

The Cancer wrote:Yeah but no matter how much physical uprising you do, people are always going to think you're a bunch of weirdos and are going to keep the wheels of capitalism well oiled and running anyway. It's a battle you're simply not going to win, no whilst you lack organisation, discipline and a consistent message anyway.


This is the thing that always bugs me about Libertarians (of the Lindsay Perigo style)... Capitalism has been one stage in a natural progression of increasing freedoms, from Despotism => Militocracy/Monarchy => Fuedal Monarchy => Capitalism...

and now so called Libertarians are on the front lines digging their heals in to stop speading freedom further by moving onto a more socialist system, as has been the historical trend... be that Anarchism (Libertarian Socialism) or just to a more Socialist Capitalism...

Gareth, can you explain why Libertarians, who by their very name should normally support 'liberty for all', just appear arch-conservatives in a largely authoritarian capitalist system?

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Postby The Cancer » Mon May 05, 2003 10:07 am

"Gareth, can you explain why Libertarians, who by their very name should normally support 'liberty for all', just appear arch-conservatives in a largely authoritarian capitalist system?"

I can only speak for myself as I am far from a classic libertarian. I'm more of a pragmatist and I can't and won't support (not that I've heard of it anyway) any moves towards authoritarianism or command government by other so-called libertarians. I'd hardly call myself an 'arch conservative' either though. I believe in a gradual progression towards absolute libertarian freedom; I wouldn't advocate imposing a complete libertarian system immediately as most libertarians would support. So to answer your question, ask someone else, as I'm not the best libertarian to be consulting.
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Postby ob1 kenobicore » Mon May 05, 2003 6:25 pm

The Cancer wrote:"What if it was a duck? Then wouldn't you feel like you wasted your time and risked being arrested for nothing?



no if a duck was being abused then i wouldn't feel like i was wasting my time a duck is still an animal
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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Tue May 06, 2003 10:18 pm

thats totally contradictory.. first you said unite, then you said "do it your way, we'll do it ours"... we all need to organise and unite.. we'll never achieve anything if theres no organisation.
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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Tue May 06, 2003 10:19 pm

oi manuel? is gwilym there? can you fucking ask him if hes going to the gig this weekend at the west coast or not.. the cunt won't reply to my email.
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Postby puppykicker » Tue May 06, 2003 10:21 pm

to be honest, i gotta agree with ross and shit on this one. this protest was shit. it was pointless and probably harmful to the image, and the persuit of the things that it was sposed to be about. plus i dont think a lot of the people that were protesting there had any idea what it was abbout, or even particularly cared, and then it jus pretty much turned into an anti-police thing. i gave up on it cause it jus seemed stupid to me, maybe other people saw the good it was doin, but i musta missed it. what ever happened to the unions? and workers rights? this was jus punks trying to break shit and cause trouble.
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Postby [absolut d-takt råpunk] » Tue May 06, 2003 10:23 pm

yea, mayday probably isn't really the place for direct action when you think about it, not in NZ anyway.... it should be a day for the workers and shit... we should organise man... the NZ anarchists should fucking organise and stop thinking chaos=progess.
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Postby phaedrus » Wed May 07, 2003 12:43 am

I personally don't listen too much to the "but you're just hurting the image" type people as they are the conservatives I am protesting against... if I listened to what they said things would only get worse :)

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