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xCaptainx wrote:Don't have too much time but,
Firstly, does our conscience reflects Gods moral standard, or does man made 'God moral standard' reflects our conscience? I would have thought the very notion of Atheists and non Judeo-Christian theist, deist or mono-theist beliefs (to which there have been a fair few) would disprove the notion of Christian objective moral values. One only has to read the Koran to find multiple examples of acts that western civilisation would find abhorrent and without morality.
Secondly, lets not forget the morality of an all knowing Christian god. Is God acting morally when allowing millions to die without even knowing about him? Or watching Elisabeth Fritzl suffer for nearly 30 years? Not only watching, but allowing it, approving the action as the ends justify the means. Also a God who demands you love him, obey him, follow him, serve him or burn in hell for all eternity? To steal a Hitchens phrase, what is moral about a celestial dictatorship? How is that 'free'? Love me or die? Worship me or die. How on earth is such a theist believe an absolute, objective moral belief?
Thirdly, Some children do not instinctively know it's wrong, even without mental or learning disabilities. In fact it's perfectly 'natural' to lie. Sam Harris wrote a book about this very issue. Darren Browne is a popular mentalist who has a few youtube videos up about young childrens willingness to lie and hide their wrongdoings. That statement is false.
I believe that morality/conscience will eventually be proven scientifically as a purely non-supernatural system. Studies are already showing 'moral' selfless actions within wildlife which can be viewed as basic, pack-survival methods. It's only a matter of time before science proves this. I'm looking forward to seeing how theists react to this.
Some of these arent actual hard 'opinions' of mine, but are good points to consider if you're going to be attempting to enforce the notion of an objective moral value, especially a theist one. Something I think you'd find extremely difficult to achieve.
I now play in a christian hardcore band. HA.
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