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Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby Matt » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:17 pm

What were everyone's favourite flicks they saw in 2012?

Here's my list:

15: Holy Motors (France)
Mental, illogical, fragmented, bizarre, Kylie Minogue. This is an art film and pretty fucking French. Director Leos Carax unleashes a personal film in the wake of the death of his wife and it tells all of the aspects of love, sex, life, parenthood, death and cinema over the course of a single night. We follow Mister Oscar (Denis Lavante) as he takes on a series of ‘assignments’ that involve him taking on odd roles that cover everything from begging to assassination. Too opaque to really ignite, this is still like nothing else.

14: Rabies (Israel)
Like a slasher film if directed by the Coen Brothers, this flick, touted as Israel’s First Horror Film, features several groups of eclectic characters in interlocking stories within a single forest. Which has a serial killer in it. Oh, and a minefield. Surprising, and surprisingly fun.

13: Livid (France)
Directors Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury made a (literal) splash in 2007 with their splatterific Inside. At last, they return with a new slice of French horror, this time more a cross between a giallo and a dark fairytale. They deconstruct the vampire mythos in stylish manner as three would-be thieves search the mansion of a comatose old lady for a supposed secret treasure. The wheels come off badly towards the end, but this is still a quality horror movie with some memorable imagery.

12: 21 Jump Street (USA)
This should have been terrible. A remake/sequel to a TV series that was crap even before Richard Grieco showed up and starring Channing Tatum. Except that it was easily the funniest movie of the year and completely self-aware to the point that it actually successfully acts as a finale to the TV series. Tatum and Jonah Hill smoke every scene and the laughs never stop.

11: The Awakening (UK)
Period ghost movies are always classy affairs with twist endings, and this is no exception. More drama than horror, the clockwork precision of the script matches up with gorgeous cinematography and top drawer acting courtesy of Rebecca Hall and Dominic “McNulty” West. Beautiful and delicate, an underseen gem.

10: A Lonely Place to Die (UK)
This was a real surprise for me. What starts off as a simple ‘people in trouble in a remote area’ drama keeps ratcheting up as the film progresses. A group of climbers stumble on an underground cell holding a little gir. Why is she there? Who put her there? A cat-and-mouse pursuit follows in this wicked little thriller.

9: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (USA)
A worthy extension of the Lord of the Rings saga, The Hobbit has its problems (the first section takes forever, some of the comedy is awkward, CG villains lack presence – aside from the improved Gollum) but hits some big peaks. Some shrewd work in the adaptation (introducing a super-orc villain a la Fellowship of the Ring and giving Bilbo a character arc) and the spectacle wins the day easily.

8: Looper (USA)
After the relative misstep of The Brothers Bloom (which I actually liked), Rian Johnson finally delivers on the promise of Brick with this time-travel romp. Thoughtful, emotional script glosses over some wobbly logic to deliver a great pay-off. Joseph Gordon-Levitt gives a killer Bruce Willis impression, too, despite being hampered by some distracting (and unnecessary) prosthetics.

7: Skyfall (UK)
The Best Bond ever? Maybe. The ‘Bond Begins’ reboot that began with Casino Royale finally is complete as we get at last to the ‘classic’ Bond by the end of Skyfall. But the journey has taken its toll and we see exactly what kind of human being it is that can be 007 and what the cost is. Where most Bond movies end with the army fighting a force of henchmen, this one winds it right down to three characters in one room. Staggeringly beautiful, perfectly paced and neatly layered, this is a Bond with depth that still delivers on thrills.

6: Dredd (UK)
A film that almost made this list was The Raid. But in the end I went with the other film about law enforcement taking on a tower block packed with villains. The Raid may have had better action, but that was all it had. Dredd packs style to burn with tension to make a terrific action flick. A shame none of the comic’s black satire couldn’t have made the trip, too, though.

5: Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (Turkey)
A group of men drive through Anatolia at night in a convoy of cars. They include the chief of police, a prosecutor, a doctor and a confessed killer…who can’t remember where he buried the body. The search goes on through the night and into the day, but reveals far more about the living than the dead. A gorgeous treatise on memory, truth and the weight of the past, this super-slow movie is not for everyone, but for those willing to stick it out, it is a fragile melancholic wonder.

4: The Avengers (USA)
Marvel Studios took a massive gamble as a series of films (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2) all dove-tailed into this super-blockbuster. A huge budget and a director with only two films – both complete box office bombs – to his name. It shouldn’t have worked. Too many characters, a weak villain, etc. etc. But Joss Whedon stuck the landing, juggling a tonne of elements with apparent ease. Sure, it ain’t perfect (Loki’s plan through the middle there seems kinda weird!), but it is hugely satisfying, entertaining, fun. If this movie didn’t make you smile, you’re dead inside.

3: Kill List (UK)
One of two Ben Wheatley flicks I saw in 2012 (the other was the also good Sightseers), this is a movie that is better the less you know of it. An ex-soldier has gone into the hitman business and, desperate for cash, takes on a job with a list of targets to work through. But he discovers that his mission is less about his targets and more about himself. A fantastic shift and reveal that seems to have ostracised some viewers, but I found it brilliant and added an entire extra dimension to the film.

2: The Woman (USA)
Horror movies have often allowed extreme and fantastical to express cutting commentary on the real world. The best example I saw in 2012 was The Woman. A brutal, unflinching assault on male dominance and societal constructs around women, this is as scathing as it gets. The story is of a small-town lawyer who finds a feral woman when out hunting one day and decides to capture her and lock her in his family basement to ‘domesticate’ her. Not for the squeamish, but this shows the power of good horror that also has a brain behind the gore.

1: The Cabin in the Woods (USA)
Since Scream (and maybe earlier with the likes of New Nightmare), horror in modern times has been often very self-aware of its tropes and formulae. Cynical films often wink at the camera while delivering their thrills as if to suggest they are better than that. In turn, that encourages audiences to not embrace the horror and instead step back, distanced and disinterested, mocking the familiar and sacrificing their own enjoyment.

Enter The Cabin in the Woods, a film about horror films and horror audiences. A film that says, stop being ‘meta’ about it and just go with it; let the story entertain. To do otherwise is to destroy the film’s very world and ruin it.

How does Cabin manage this? By being ultra-meta. It is the ultimate case of having its cake and eating it, too. Oh, and it also happens to be massive, massive, MASSIVE fun. Like Behind The Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon, this is a huge love letter to horror fans and the best movie of the year. There was no more glorious moment in cinema in 2012 than the hitting of the big, red ‘purge’ button. We are not who we are, indeed. We are the Old Gods and we are watching.


Movies That Nearly Made the List and Probably Should Have: Headhunters (Norway), Sightseers (UK), Beasts of the Southern Wild (USA), The Dark Knight Rises(USA), The Raid (Indonesia), Sleepless Night (France), The Guard (UK), Chronicle (USA), The Skin I Live In (Spain)

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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby OLDMANGLOOM » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:24 pm

Here's a top 20. Quite a few are 2011 titles but came out here this year.
Tied for the top spot:
Holy Motors
Tabu


Eighteen way tie for second:
In Another Country
Moonrise Kingdom
Amour
Jeff Who Lives at Home/Do-Deca-Pentathlon
(Duplass bros can have one slot for two films).
Shame
The Skin I Live In
Killing Them Softly
We Need to Talk About Kevin
Damsels in Distress
Keyhole
Once Upon a Time in Anatolia
The Color Wheel
The Angels' Share
Dark Horse
The Kid With A Bike
The Deep Blue Sea
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
Red Hook Summer


Going to see Sightseers in a couple hours, so that could potentially join the above.
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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby Matt » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:56 pm

Sightseers is pretty good, but I didn't LOVE it, y'know? The Skin I Live In was also pretty cool...

I didn't have the guts to see Amour. I think I have to wait until I can take that level of depression.

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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby xsfat » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:39 am

Matt, since you've probably pondered endlessly about Cabin in the Woods... I didn't get the part where the "programme" is happening in every country, but nothing happened when the "participants" in other countries were able to save themselves.
E.g. we see that the "programme" in Japan was a class full of kids being terrorised, but they were able to turn the angry ghost into a frog
Presumably the goal in each country was the same - different character archetypes all had to be sacrificed (with perhaps an exception), or else...

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Postby Window Licker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:58 am

It was coz the US was the last chance, they often fail in other parts of the world but the shit only hits the fan if they all fail.
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Postby snuff » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:56 am

Really enjoyed This is 40 for the loal factor.
I guess you really need to ask yourself... What Would Graeme Do?

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Postby OLDMANGLOOM » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:05 am

Matt wrote:Sightseers is pretty good, but I didn't LOVE it, y'know? The Skin I Live In was also pretty cool...

I didn't have the guts to see Amour. I think I have to wait until I can take that level of depression.

Sightseers was rad, could probably knock Red Hook Summer off my list. It's essentially a homicidal version of Nuts In May, which can't be a bad thing. The great thing about Ben Wheatley is that by the time this is getting released here the next picture is done.
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Amour is definitely worth seeing, think it will get a general release early this year.
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Postby Matt » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:21 pm

Window Licker wrote:It was coz the US was the last chance, they often fail in other parts of the world but the shit only hits the fan if they all fail.


This.

Plus, Japan had a 100% clearance rate...until now. Which I took to mean "J-horror used to be awesome but has gone a bit shit now..." Haha!

The idea (as I read it) was that scary stories are each culture's way of passing on morality. That the young learn of the dangers of 'trangressions' through them. If every culture fails at that, then the world is fucked...

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Postby UNIT » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:47 pm

The Artist is Present
The Angels Share
Bones Brigade: An Autobiography
Cosmopolis
The Deep Blue Sea
Damsels in Distress
Dark Shadows
Dark Horse
The Dark Knight Rises
Do-Deca Pentathlon
End of Watch
Frankenweenie
The Imposter
Into the Abyss
Jeff, Who Lives At Home
Killer Joe
Kill List
Killing Them Softly
Last Days Here
Lawless
Moonrise Kingdom
The Perks of Being a Wallflower
A Royal Affair
Searching for Sugar Man
Shut Up and Play the Hits
The Skin I Live In
Skyfall
This Ain't California
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
We Need to Talk About Kevin
Wuthering Heights
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Postby Marms » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:56 am

In no particular order:

VHS
Cabin In The Woods
Moonrise Kingdom
Skyfall
Jeff Who Lives At Home
Dark Knight Rises
Avengers

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Postby Cosmo Kramer » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:45 pm

Matt wrote:What were everyone's favourite flicks they saw in 2012?

Here's my list:

15: Holy Motors (France)
Mental, illogical, fragmented, bizarre, Kylie Minogue. This is an art film and pretty fucking French. Director Leos Carax unleashes a personal film in the wake of the death of his wife and it tells all of the aspects of love, sex, life, parenthood, death and cinema over the course of a single night. We follow Mister Oscar (Denis Lavante) as he takes on a series of ‘assignments’ that involve him taking on odd roles that cover everything from begging to assassination. Too opaque to really ignite, this is still like nothing else.

14: Rabies (Israel)
Like a slasher film if directed by the Coen Brothers, this flick, touted as Israel’s First Horror Film, features several groups of eclectic characters in interlocking stories within a single forest. Which has a serial killer in it. Oh, and a minefield. Surprising, and surprisingly fun.

13: Livid (France)
Directors Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury made a (literal) splash in 2007 with their splatterific Inside. At last, they return with a new slice of French horror, this time more a cross between a giallo and a dark fairytale. They deconstruct the vampire mythos in stylish manner as three would-be thieves search the mansion of a comatose old lady for a supposed secret treasure. The wheels come off badly towards the end, but this is still a quality horror movie with some memorable imagery.

12: 21 Jump Street (USA)
This should have been terrible. A remake/sequel to a TV series that was crap even before Richard Grieco showed up and starring Channing Tatum. Except that it was easily the funniest movie of the year and completely self-aware to the point that it actually successfully acts as a finale to the TV series. Tatum and Jonah Hill smoke every scene and the laughs never stop.

11: The Awakening (UK)
Period ghost movies are always classy affairs with twist endings, and this is no exception. More drama than horror, the clockwork precision of the script matches up with gorgeous cinematography and top drawer acting courtesy of Rebecca Hall and Dominic “McNulty” West. Beautiful and delicate, an underseen gem.

10: A Lonely Place to Die (UK)
This was a real surprise for me. What starts off as a simple ‘people in trouble in a remote area’ drama keeps ratcheting up as the film progresses. A group of climbers stumble on an underground cell holding a little gir. Why is she there? Who put her there? A cat-and-mouse pursuit follows in this wicked little thriller.

9: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (USA)
A worthy extension of the Lord of the Rings saga, The Hobbit has its problems (the first section takes forever, some of the comedy is awkward, CG villains lack presence – aside from the improved Gollum) but hits some big peaks. Some shrewd work in the adaptation (introducing a super-orc villain a la Fellowship of the Ring and giving Bilbo a character arc) and the spectacle wins the day easily.

8: Looper (USA)
After the relative misstep of The Brothers Bloom (which I actually liked), Rian Johnson finally delivers on the promise of Brick with this time-travel romp. Thoughtful, emotional script glosses over some wobbly logic to deliver a great pay-off. Joseph Gordon-Levitt gives a killer Bruce Willis impression, too, despite being hampered by some distracting (and unnecessary) prosthetics.

7: Skyfall (UK)
The Best Bond ever? Maybe. The ‘Bond Begins’ reboot that began with Casino Royale finally is complete as we get at last to the ‘classic’ Bond by the end of Skyfall. But the journey has taken its toll and we see exactly what kind of human being it is that can be 007 and what the cost is. Where most Bond movies end with the army fighting a force of henchmen, this one winds it right down to three characters in one room. Staggeringly beautiful, perfectly paced and neatly layered, this is a Bond with depth that still delivers on thrills.

6: Dredd (UK)
A film that almost made this list was The Raid. But in the end I went with the other film about law enforcement taking on a tower block packed with villains. The Raid may have had better action, but that was all it had. Dredd packs style to burn with tension to make a terrific action flick. A shame none of the comic’s black satire couldn’t have made the trip, too, though.

5: Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (Turkey)
A group of men drive through Anatolia at night in a convoy of cars. They include the chief of police, a prosecutor, a doctor and a confessed killer…who can’t remember where he buried the body. The search goes on through the night and into the day, but reveals far more about the living than the dead. A gorgeous treatise on memory, truth and the weight of the past, this super-slow movie is not for everyone, but for those willing to stick it out, it is a fragile melancholic wonder.

4: The Avengers (USA)
Marvel Studios took a massive gamble as a series of films (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2) all dove-tailed into this super-blockbuster. A huge budget and a director with only two films – both complete box office bombs – to his name. It shouldn’t have worked. Too many characters, a weak villain, etc. etc. But Joss Whedon stuck the landing, juggling a tonne of elements with apparent ease. Sure, it ain’t perfect (Loki’s plan through the middle there seems kinda weird!), but it is hugely satisfying, entertaining, fun. If this movie didn’t make you smile, you’re dead inside.

3: Kill List (UK)
One of two Ben Wheatley flicks I saw in 2012 (the other was the also good Sightseers), this is a movie that is better the less you know of it. An ex-soldier has gone into the hitman business and, desperate for cash, takes on a job with a list of targets to work through. But he discovers that his mission is less about his targets and more about himself. A fantastic shift and reveal that seems to have ostracised some viewers, but I found it brilliant and added an entire extra dimension to the film.

2: The Woman (USA)
Horror movies have often allowed extreme and fantastical to express cutting commentary on the real world. The best example I saw in 2012 was The Woman. A brutal, unflinching assault on male dominance and societal constructs around women, this is as scathing as it gets. The story is of a small-town lawyer who finds a feral woman when out hunting one day and decides to capture her and lock her in his family basement to ‘domesticate’ her. Not for the squeamish, but this shows the power of good horror that also has a brain behind the gore.

1: The Cabin in the Woods (USA)
Since Scream (and maybe earlier with the likes of New Nightmare), horror in modern times has been often very self-aware of its tropes and formulae. Cynical films often wink at the camera while delivering their thrills as if to suggest they are better than that. In turn, that encourages audiences to not embrace the horror and instead step back, distanced and disinterested, mocking the familiar and sacrificing their own enjoyment.

Enter The Cabin in the Woods, a film about horror films and horror audiences. A film that says, stop being ‘meta’ about it and just go with it; let the story entertain. To do otherwise is to destroy the film’s very world and ruin it.

How does Cabin manage this? By being ultra-meta. It is the ultimate case of having its cake and eating it, too. Oh, and it also happens to be massive, massive, MASSIVE fun. Like Behind The Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon, this is a huge love letter to horror fans and the best movie of the year. There was no more glorious moment in cinema in 2012 than the hitting of the big, red ‘purge’ button. We are not who we are, indeed. We are the Old Gods and we are watching.


Movies That Nearly Made the List and Probably Should Have: Headhunters (Norway), Sightseers (UK), Beasts of the Southern Wild (USA), The Dark Knight Rises(USA), The Raid (Indonesia), Sleepless Night (France), The Guard (UK), Chronicle (USA), The Skin I Live In (Spain)


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Cosmo Kramer wrote:SKYFALL!?!??! R U FUKING SERIOS!!!!????

:explainittomelikeimfive:

did you only see 15 movies ??? and you had to put it in there? that would be my only understand

..yeah I'm struggling with this -
Matt wrote:12: 21 Jump Street (USA)
This should have been terrible. A remake/sequel to a TV series that was crap even before Richard Grieco showed up and starring Channing Tatum. Except that it was easily the funniest movie of the year and completely self-aware to the point that it actually successfully acts as a finale to the TV series. Tatum and Jonah Hill smoke every scene and the laughs never stop.


Aidan was stoked on 21 Jump Street as well.. unsure whats wrong with me. But I turned it off, was so horrible and unfunny.
Mind you, maybe my subconscious can't get over my hatred for Chad Tatts and Jonah Hill.

My 2c (in no order) -

Moonrise Kingdom
The Loved Ones
This is not a Film
Beasts of the Southern Wild

Can't remember the rest I've watched. Been some goodins though. Apparently this is really good -
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Postby FC » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:57 am

Thought it was pretty funny, yeah. Haven't seen many 2012 movies. Maybe avengers? It was fucking cool too.
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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby Cosmo Kramer » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:14 pm

Livestock wrote:
Cosmo Kramer wrote:SKYFALL!?!??! R U FUKING SERIOS!!!!????

:explainittomelikeimfive:

did you only see 15 movies ??? and you had to put it in there? that would be my only understand

..yeah I'm struggling with this -
Matt wrote:12: 21 Jump Street (USA)
This should have been terrible. A remake/sequel to a TV series that was crap even before Richard Grieco showed up and starring Channing Tatum. Except that it was easily the funniest movie of the year and completely self-aware to the point that it actually successfully acts as a finale to the TV series. Tatum and Jonah Hill smoke every scene and the laughs never stop.


Aidan was stoked on 21 Jump Street as well.. unsure whats wrong with me. But I turned it off, was so horrible and unfunny.
Mind you, maybe my subconscious can't get over my hatred for Chad Tatts and Jonah Hill.

My 2c (in no order) -

Moonrise Kingdom
The Loved Ones
This is not a Film
Beasts of the Southern Wild

Can't remember the rest I've watched. Been some goodins though. Apparently this is really good -
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we talking the movie with fat kid from super bad?

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Postby Matt » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:51 pm

Yeah, I don't think Skyfall or 21 Jump Street are surprising picks - both were pretty popular with the critics. In fact, I think Skyfall has some crazy-high 90+% rating on RottenTomatoes.

But to each their own. For example, I thought Moonrise Kingdom was just 'okay'. It was pleasant, but nothing special. It looked neat, though, and had some clever bits like the metaphor for losing your virginity with the whole ear-piercing thing, but felt a bit lightweight for me. But loads of people love that flick - so yeah, to each their own.

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Postby Cosmo Kramer » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:14 am

Matt wrote:Yeah, I don't think Skyfall or 21 Jump Street are surprising picks - both were pretty popular with the critics. In fact, I think Skyfall has some crazy-high 90+% rating on RottenTomatoes.



matt matt matt matt...... MATT!!!

really?

please dont tell me you go from what rotten tomatoes tells ya!??! whats what people like me used to do. now i double check with imbd. and even that let me down.

i went on imdb, rookie mistake, now i learn to read the user submitted reviews section on IMDB haha

all of skyfalls were 1/10's, 2/10's


who are these "critics" ???

how do critics give high score and users dont?


however, i do know a few people who like skyfall, my brother for one... lol.

but yeah....

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Postby FC » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:31 am

Rotten Tomatoes is actually one of the better ways to judge the overall opinion of a film, because it relies on a lot of critics, and not just one jackass going "DIS MOVEE NO BOOBS SO NO GUD I FINK 1 STARS"
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Postby Cosmo Kramer » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:55 am

FC wrote:Rotten Tomatoes is actually one of the better ways to judge the overall opinion of a film, because it relies on a lot of critics, and not just one jackass going "DIS MOVEE NO BOOBS SO NO GUD I FINK 1 STARS"



yeah but....


you ever come across RT movies that got rated 90% and sucked?

and vice versa,,,,, yes...opnion...i get it.


But....

critics vs peoples opnions.....what would you choose?

also...i feel like me you and matt have had this convo before?

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I would choose most critic's opinions over yours.
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Postby Cosmo Kramer » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:27 am

FC wrote:I would choose most critic's opinions over yours.



granted,

but when does one persons opinion become a critics?

arnt critics like the media?

i would take THE PEOPLE over THE CRITICS

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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby FC » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:39 am

A critic is often someone who has critically thought about movies for so long, they are better able to give a fair representation than someone who is basing it on instant gut reaction and personal feelings about cinema. Not always, and that's why Rotten Tomatoes, giving an overall score from a number of critics is good. Generally people that review things online give either extremely positive, or extremely negative reviews, because the other people don't really give a fuck about sharing their opinion online. Critics do it as a job, and so you are more likely to get less of an overall bias than you would just from "people".

I should note that critics are people too, I am yet to see a movie critic that wasn't a person. I would be interested if you could show me however.
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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby Matt » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:17 pm

I definitely wouldn't take "the people" over those people who are really into movies. I find I generally agree with critics, which isn't surprising. Not always. So, most people thought Skyfall was great, you didn't. Ah, well. There you go.

Just think of the music charts for an equivalent. Are you suggesting all of the most popular acts with "the people" are the best?

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Postby General Mutante » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:52 pm

FC wrote:I should note that critics are people too, I am yet to see a movie critic that wasn't a person. I would be interested if you could show me however.


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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:23 pm

Pretty sure the only movie I watched released in 2012 was wreck it Ralph, it was pretty good. Well first half hour or so was good anyway.
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Re: Favourite Films of 2012?

Postby Cosmo Kramer » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:55 pm

FC wrote:A critic is often someone who has critically thought about movies for so long, they are better able to give a fair representation than someone who is basing it on instant gut reaction and personal feelings about cinema. Not always, and that's why Rotten Tomatoes, giving an overall score from a number of critics is good. Generally people that review things online give either extremely positive, or extremely negative reviews, because the other people don't really give a fuck about sharing their opinion online. Critics do it as a job, and so you are more likely to get less of an overall bias than you would just from "people".



Yes, but, are you a Crittic or User?

i think you user :baton:

*note* i do use IMDB and RT for a quick check on reviews, now i skim over the user review ratings to double check :baton:

lets take for example: Skyfall.

you seen it?

Imdb: 8/10
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So so so bad. Critics need replacing, 31 October 2012
1/10
Author: Vijay Dinanath from United Kingdom

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My 1st review! I was so disgusted with this film&annoyed critics praised it I cracked and had a rant.

Numerous Plot holes, contrivances, poor storytelling, character logic&motivation;

1. The stolen agent list macguffin; Made famous in M:I then overused in films&TV shows; CharliesAngels2 etc - halfway through the film they just forgot about it

2. Hacking magic! Hacking can be done well; goldeneye,swordfish,diehard4...Not just an easy contrived plot device. Can we have a proper explanation &the rules&limitations of Silva's hacking ability in this fiction? For all I know Silva can make satellites fall on people.

3. The irony of the 'can Bond operate in an internet world' theme...he failed twice and got M killed...so he can't?

4. How out of place the above theme is; Bond is mature but always current. His a walking encyclopedia (watch the start of any Connery/Moore film). In the last 2 films he was using advanced mobile phone tracking systems...adding hacking does not suddenly make Bond take on the 'modern' age. Are economics or funding civilwars outdated?

There was hacking&computers in 1995's Goldeneye..all of a sudden, NOW, there are no more shadows? Did MI6 stop evolving in the late eighties?

5.They have a meeting to discuss MI6? This was relevant in Batman, a vigilante was trying to inspire people- It was intertwined in the narrative&theme. Skyfall enquiry was just Sam Mendes ripping off Batman

6. Silva's planned capture; Another overused device that was coincidently in Batman. So what did Silva achieve? A conversation with M? When this is revealed shouldn't we look back and have everything make sense? But, NO, I was left wondering why they tried to kill Bond twice in China.

7. Why was a hacker in a cell controlled by a computer? Why is Q so stupid he plugged in the laptop to the building? Why was the trap door on the inside of the first glass door? why was there a trap door? How did Silva evade an armed MI6 guard 20 meters from his cell?

8. Super calculating (hack crazy)Silva's plan at the end was a firefight? With a backup plan of another firefight?

9. So they figured out Silva was dressed as a cop and no-one told anyone? The irony of M defending herself (reading a poem) knowing her own ex agent was about to shoot up the place was lost on critics&writers alike.

10. Could Bond not take a Sim free phone or'radio' &call backup when Silva arrived at the end? Instead they had their Home Alone moment- even Macaulay Culkin eventually called the police

11. Silva is supposed to mirror Bond. But compare Bond's 'betrayal' to Silva being handed over for torture... Some forced connection is made considering they never met before. Silva tells a story of 2rats so we know what we are supposed to think.

12. Bond's betrayal is M ordering Naomi to take a risky shot. Bond later tell's M he heard the order... why didn't he get out the way then? he just kept fighting like an idiot. &did Naomi only have 1 bullet?

13.You can't make Bond survive 2 gun shots and a fall like that. His already an established character. The Punisher&Bourne are special BECAUSE they survive. It can't happen to them again mid film/ mid franchise..

14. Bond follows an assassin&lets him kill innocent people! How is this in his character?! The previous 2 films already rebooted Bond to show WHY he doesn't let innocents die.

15. Naomi is a forced character..appearing randomly to remind us she still exists so we can think it's 'clever' when she becomes Moneypenny. Money penny gets demoted from field agent to secretary?!! not even analyst. If she is that hopeless why is she on the most important mission ever? I think Sam Mendes hates women.

16. Bond doesn't even blink when the girl he just bedded a few hours ago gets shot in cold blood. He identifies Severine as being sex trafficked&abused- He then just jumps in her shower. I had little problem with Bond tricking a woman into bed in live and let die- but the sky-fall scene should land him in the S-offenders list.

17.They traced the shrapnel in Bond's chest to a 'special'bullet that only 3 people use? His a 'ghost'...but we have his full flight manifesto. This is how they advanced the plot? wait a minute....didn't that bad guy shoot up half of turkey..? A contrivance& a plot hole in one plot device, that takes some doing.

18. One minute he can't shoot...10 seconds later he shoots everyone in a 360 arc? so what happened? oh we are just abandoning that theme mid- se..

19. Quite a few instances of Bond just standing in front of a landscape shot with his legs apart 'being deep'. I thought he was urinating at first.

20. Q is both a quartermaster&a programmer for the sake of the illogical theme.. but these are completely different skill sets...?

21. Knowing all this...what is the list doing in Turkey? on a laptop hardrive? why are only 2-3 agents on the case? They couldn't even do the liberty of making something up for the audience. Imagine Thunderball didn't show how SPECTRE got the nukes...

Why couldn't Silva just hack the list? Oh because it isn't connected to the internet you say...but the MI6 heating system is?

The script makes no sense, the themes are inappropriate, Bond's character&decision making has been altered &they have confused mature with dinosaur. Die another Day was almost a Bond parody, but this one is simply a mess,&a betrayal of Bond.

Shame on critics too impatient to appreciate QoS for not spoon feeding them everything & praising sky-fall because of poorly scattered themes& metaphors on a plot that makes no sense, just because it makes them feel clever
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So Disappointed, 1 November 2012
5/10
Author: Teddy KGB from United Kingdom

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I should preface this by saying that I absolutely loved QoS (more than most)and Casino Royale. I'll start from the top.

The Opening Credits:

Visually the opening sequence was absolutely brilliant. Perhaps the best yet. However the Adele song choice was a poor one in my opinion. It's pap. Neither sexy (Goldeneye, Goldfinger) nor adrenaline pumping (Casino Royale, QoS). Sure the girl can sing... but so can Madonna.

Friendly Fire:

He gets shot with an assault rifle, falls 100+ feet and ends up at the bottom of a 50ft+ waterfall. Of course Bond doesn't need to be realistic but let's at least have a far-fetched explanation for his survival please. A small Turkish boy with a first aid kit who happened to be fishing at the bottom of the waterfall. Anything!

Macau:

Why no proper shots of Macau? Even just a decent panned intro. It's such a perfect setting for bond scenes.

The Komodo Dragon Killing:

No need for an Attenborough lecture. As convincing as fanged unicorns.

The Bond Girl:

A sex slave who very quickly gets shot. What a big letdown after Casino Royale and QoS.

The London Feel

The film had very real shots of an overcast and murky looking London and the whole film felt inherently British. Really nice.

'Silva':

I'm all for a fruity bond villain but what an anti-climax. Great intro, cool teeth but otherwise fairly bland. Certainly no Ernst Blofield or 'Leshiffre'.

Weak Plot:

The biggest failing of this film was the plot. It went from a mission to recover a stolen hard-drive to a mission to protect an old dear (who could've easily been killed several times). As for the motive, fairly tenuous and uninteresting:

Blondie signed up for the Mi6 many years back, M sent him on a mission, things go wrong on the mission, Blondie gets captured (we don't get shown any of this) and years later Blondie feels as though he wants to kill an older, moodier and fairly unendearing M.

The House Siege:

This was cool. Easily on par with scenes from Shooter and The Bourne Identity (tall order).

The Chapel:

Be honest. When Silva walks into the chapel were you thinking:

'Please don't shoot moody old M!'

Or were you thinking:

'NOOOOOOO! Please don't shoot the cool old guy with a sawn-off shotgun who's been giving Bond some lip! He's the only new face that's been given a proper character!'

As for the axe to the back - not exactly bond-like.

Conclusion:

Ingredients for an epic film. But an extremely weak plot and an undeveloped villain made it difficult to care about the final outcome.
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Weak plot and boring!, 1 November 2012
4/10
Author: will-338-33056

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There were so many problems with the film that I felt let down. I feel that Casino Royale was the best film to date; Skyfall was just a disappointment.

The first 10 minutes or so were great, Bond's on a mission and there are some memorable scenes (digger coupling the trains), but there are major plot-holes. When Bond is fighting on top of the train for the hard- drive, Eve says that she has a shot.

Bond can hear the whole conversation between Eve and M, so why doesn't he get out of the way (or at least co-operate to provide an easy shot)?! M mentions that the choice was either possible success (taking the shot) or guaranteed failure (leaving Bond to fight). You'd have more chance with a TOP MI6 AGENT than a risky shot.

I must be missing something, because QOS shows Bond finishing his FIRST assignment, where Skyfall shows him to be old, out of shape, and at the end of his career; there's a MASSIVE gap between the two films. It's almost as if the last two films and the reboot have been ignored.

The Aston Martin from Goldfinger, Q's mentioning of the exploding pen (Goldeneye), and the appearance of Q (In the previous two films, Bond has not met Q) seem to make it clear that CR and QOS have been forgotten, and so Skyfall was used purely for a "50 year special", looking back at the previous bonds.

When Bond leaves a trail leading to his house, why on earth wouldn't he call back up to meet him there? If you have the Head of MI6 under protection, you would need some actual protection - the plot makes no sense!

Why did Silva want to get captured? He just escapes! If he wanted to kill M, he could have done that with the explosion in her office (with a delay), so what purpose did his capture possess? None!

Overall, I was disappointment with Skyfall; possibly the worst Bond film to date. I expect more from Bond, and I hope that the next film forgets Skyfall!
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Boring, 31 October 2012
4/10
Author: Phil Moore from Oxford, England

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I thought Skyfall was awful. Worst of all it was just boring, something I would never think I would say about any Bond film.

The movie starts off well enough, a good chase scene in an exotic location and it sets itself up for what could have been a good story. The trouble is after the first 15 mins the story seems to go nowhere.

MI6 is in trouble, a list of its agents goes missing and has to be recovered. Bond who everyone thought was dead comes back to save the day. All good so far. Now for some very thin reason Bond has to go to Shanghai. I wonder if this scene was added to boost box office figures in China because it was totally irrelevant to the story. Next scene Bond meets the 'baddie'. Not some master criminal but an ex MI6 agent out for some revenge. This plot had already been covered in Goldeneye with much better results. The Baddie looked more likely to Blow Bond than Blow up MI6 and there was even a joke along that line.

The story now moves to London. I applaud the decision to have a Bond movie in the UK, especially in the Jubilee/Olympic/50 year Bond year but frankly it just painted England like every foreigners stereotype. Cold, Wet, and miserable. Now it is about a plot to kill M, this has also been covered before in 'The World is not Enough' and the movie never returns to locating the missing list of agents.

Why didn't the bad guy just kill M at the beginning of the movie and spare me sitting through 2 hours of boredom? I gave this film 4/10 because it has an unexpected twist at the end that the production team have managed not to leek prior to release. If it were not for that then Id probably have given it only 3/10.

Craig is now showing his age and in my opinion there are many better suited actors to the part. People moaned about QOS but frankly this movie is the worst Bond film ever.
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A Truly Awful Movie., 7 November 2012
1/10
Author: ice man from United States

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One of the worst films I have ever seen. Every single scene was flawed and had errors. From beginning to end the movie had mistake after mistake. Now most movies have one or two mistakes and you just over look it but when it happens in every scene of the movie, you can't just wave it to one side.

For example, when Bond leaves the London underground and starts running to save M. Here we have TWO errors. Firstly, M does not do MP's committee meetings and secondly, why does Bond run half way across London to get to her? Why not stop one of the police officer's to either drive him or to give him the car? There are so many errors, like I already said in EVERY single scene of the movie.

Few others that I still remember are such as the opening scene, why does Eve who just mistakenly shot Bond with an automatic rifle not then open fire on the bad guy? How did Bond even survive such a drop? How did he end up in the arms of a beautiful woman on a beach? How did Eve even miss shooting him jumping on the train earlier? Why did the bad guy who had an automatic pistol and had Bond pinned down behind a wooden market stall decide to jump on a motorbike rather than to kill him? Why did the police bikers even drive straight towards a man firing a weapon? How did Eve even turn up with a vehicle just as Bond left the building? So many errors and so many gaps and that's just the first 8 minutes! I can go on and on and on. EVERY scene had massive errors, Even the Aston Martin DB5 scene, how comes Bond has it? Why would he even run away with M and get her killed? Are the SAS on strike? How did Bond leave the casino in Macau after killing 3 bodyguards? Does a large casino only have 3 security guards? Why even would they fight? Surely they would have just shot him as soon as he enters the casino? Javier Bardem's baddie character was ridiculous and comical. It was totally unbelievable, even an 8 year old wouldn't believe the storyline. Poor acting and the camp/gay innuendos were painful to watch. I couldn't believe what I was watching.

This was an appalling movie. It relied on Judi Dench to hold it all together. Sadly I am not able to give it a 0 so I will give it 1/10. No action in the movie what so ever after the opening scene. Two men hugging on top of a train has been done so many times. Pathetic movie and the only people who will enjoy this are the brain dead. Shame on critics who were saying this was the best Bond movie ever, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I used to like Daniel Craig as Bond but thanks to this movie I now dislike him too. Well done to Sam Mendes and Co, it takes a certain amount of talent or the lack of it to single handedly destroy Bond. The hero in this movie was the final credits, the real baddie in this movie was the man behind the camera.
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Again: This NOT Bond, Mrs. Broccoli..., 2 November 2012
1/10
Author: maddog-50 from Belgium

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this time it's getting even worse than Quantum Of Solace. The story is lame and stupid, the nonsense plot is build around a melodramatic inside view of Bond's psyche. O.K., when Bond is no bigger than life daredevil anymore, it seems to be a logical consequence, to let the audience learn more about the "true" psyche of Bond. But this is completely crap in my eyes!

An other complacent try by Mrs. Broccoli to revitalize the dusty genre of spy movies. But the audience was always smarter and realized, of course, that Bond never was realistic. The audience does not need to be educated in the direction of a more temporary 21st. century Bond by some filmmakers who do not want become suspects of doing the same thing all over again. Bond WAS always the same for 40 years till Albert Broccoli died and his very very untalented daughter took over the franchise automatically. This happens when you bequeath a business,there is no warranty that your children are going to handle it well.

The real Bond is a classical archetype male and a chauvinistic, arrogant womanizer with a very dangerous job (secret agent), no woman can withstand although she knows what a heart breaker he is. This worked for 40 years and would have worked for another 40 years or so. The Bond we knew until Craig appeared might not be the type of man radical left-wing Eco-activist broads would like to welcome to their sit-in.

Fact is, the real Bond is dead!

This is a private version of Mrs. Broccoli's fantasy Bond 008, a guy who deeply comprehends women instead of bumping them before they can count to three (which might be a challenge for some real Bond girls...). Of course it's intended not to be "your dirty old father's" Bond. It's a Bond for the masses not for the classes, offering a bit of everything the average movie goer under 20 (Twilight-fans) might want to consume.

Craig's Bond has become a sissy, who has a complex oedipal relationship to elder women, especially to those he calls "M". Now, in Skyfall, we will learn that "M" is for "mother"...

There really was no need to change the Bond franchise so completely, except to squeeze out some dollars more out of the franchise. R.I.P. 007!
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Dreadful. Possibly even worse than Quantum of Bondness., 31 October 2012
1/10
Author: Chaarles from United Kingdom

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Amongst the very worst of the Bond series. Surprisingly, after an action-packed pre-credit sequence it became so slow, plodding and tedious I wasn't sure it was actually supposed to be an action movie after all. Then a few unimaginative 'action-sequences' were thrown in and we were supposedly off, except that the dull, leaden script (except for a couple of sparkling moments) and badly contrived storyline (meandering between inanely pointless set pieces and sheer unbelievability) never actually let the film take off at any point. And there were so many plot-holes you could fire an Uzi a full 360 and not hit a thing. All this and what appears to be a complete aversion to many of the long-standing characteristics that always made Bond who he is (and made a Bond movie a Bond movie) and you have a dull, third-rate spy movie about some tough bloke employed by Whitehall.

If the central character's name was altered from Bond to, say, Jack Steel or something, there would be little if anything left in the movie to suggest you might be watching a Bond movie.

Yes, its tough and gritty, but gone is the suave, sophisticated, knowledgeable, utterly committed agent we are used to, now we have a stroppy, confused man moping about getting drunk instead of reporting for duty; who about a quarter way through the film remembers where he left his razor and even gets himself together enough to shave; who, after being felt-up by a homosexual villain, alludes to previous homosexual experiences he might have had; and who hatches a really stupid plan to use M as bait by taking her to a completely isolated manor house with hardly any firepower available, whilst inviting the baddies to come and get them, which they do with more men and more firepower than Bond thought to bring along; not surprisingly Bond's daft 'plan' to get the villain results in Bond getting his boss killed.

If the makers of the film want to revisit classic Bond, perhaps the theme song to this one should have been "Nobody Does It Worse."

Bond is dead.
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Bond on a budget starring the old folks home, 1 November 2012
1/10
Author: phd_travel from United States

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There are so many things wrong with this movie. Most of the elements of a good Bond movie aren't there.

The locations aren't well used. The Istanbul roof top & Bazaar chase has already been shown in "Taken 2" and the TV show "Missing". Dejavu. The way they showed 'Shanghai' and 'Macau' at night it could have been filmed anywhere. The Scottish countryside shown was so grim.

Where are the cars and gadgets? Nothing but the old Aston Martin. Just that pistol and tracker. The new Q is so ineffective.

The villain played by Javier Bardem. He is more comical than sinister. With the blond fright wig, the campy overtures and the most frightening of all, the dentures this must the most absurd bad guy in Bond history.

The climax feels cheap and conventional. They must have run out of money for the second half. Such a stupid idea to bring M to that run down Scottish house. With the home made defences and geriatric defenders, it felt like Home Alone meets the Golden Girls. Might as well have asked Betty White or grandma to join in.

The new Bond girl Berenice Marlohe is exotic and fascinating to look at. But why only one? Writing her out of the show so early and not having another was a mistake. The Bond girl is supposed to end up saved by Bond with a hook up at the end. Unless you consider M a Bond girl.

The focus of the movie is M. Judi Dench was always too provincial looking for MI6. The only good thing about this movie is that Ralph Fiennes is replacing her. Finally. There was no need to dedicate a whole movie to her farewell.

Daniel Craig is just so haggard he looks worse than the villain. It's time to replace him with someone younger and handsomer. Baffled by the good reviews. Be warned we are being short changed.
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A Thrilling, Fun and Beautiful Film. A True Resurrection., 27 October 2012
9/10
Author: Charles A. Tisseyre from Paris, France

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It's the Bond film we've all been waiting for. After the stunning reinvention of Casino Royale and the misstep that followed with Quantum of Solace, Skyfall feels like a true resurrection of the character and the Bond universe, and an incredible addition to the storied franchise. From its spectacular opening scene in Istanbul to its sensational climax in the Scottish Highlands, the film grabs hold of the audience and never lets go.

With the great Sam Mendes at the helm, Skyfall is propelled by a veritable narrative purpose. Mendes values story and character over anything, and he gets Bond. His action sequences are thrilling, artfully directed, and a joy to watch. He directs with finesse and nuance the powerful character-driven scenes. He understands the soul and essence of Bond and respects the spirit of the franchise but also breaks new ground with the treatment of the story.

Speaking of which, the script tells a moving, thematically resonant and intelligent story, and features superbly written scenes. It is more focused than Quantum of Solace, which felt oddly disjointed at times. Writers Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan elegantly balance humorous moments with truly dramatic ones while never straying from the emotional heart of the film. Best of all, they further develop Casino Royale's brilliant idea of delving into Bond's vulnerability and the result is a fascinating and flawed character. The human and moral stakes are high and much more personal this time around. The audience feels emotionally invested in the story. In the end, the film is a reflection on aging and on not only why the world needs Bond but also why he must and will endure.

Visually, Skyfall is a true wonder. Roger Deakins' cinematography is aesthetically magnificent and serves the story well. Deakins shoots Istanbul, London, Macau, Shanghai and the Scottish Highlands in a tasteful, artistic and original manner. It is by far the most beautifully shot Bond I have ever seen. Thomas Newman's score is terrific and rich, cleverly using the classic Bond theme in new and interesting ways and incorporating Adele's already-classic theme to create a memorable piece of music.

Finally, the cast all deliver fine performances. Daniel Craig gives a thoughtful, moving and nuanced performance, which constitutes his strongest interpretation of the character to date. Judi Dench offers a much more intimate and personal take on M. Ralph Fiennes, Albert Finney, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris and Berenice Marlohe are memorable. And what to say of Javier Bardem, who steals every scene he appears in? He is funny, unpredictable, frightening and most interestingly, tragic. A fantastic Bond villain.

If you had any reservation about seeing this film after the lacklustre Quantum of Solace, fear no more. Skyfall redeems faults of the past and is one of the best films of the year. It hits all the right notes. Sam Mendes has infused Bond with a deft sense of fun, pathos and class.

It's a great time at the movies.
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Bold and original, but not the best of Craig's 007s, 30 October 2012
7/10
Author: Majd Selbi from Jordan

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Sam Mendes's take on 007 is a remarkably well done film, both technically and entertainment-wise, it has the characters, the action, and the Bond allure which is a constant throughout the movie.

It captures you right with the opening sequence, which is absolutely thrilling and beautifully choreographed, the whole movie is nicely choreographed and very well shot (Roger Deakins's cinematography is a stand out). The key characters are well presented, with each of them having their own layers, and the movie dives specifically into Bond's psyche, which gave us on the way, the right dose of Bond origins (not too much, not too little). The lead acting is fantastic, Craig as Bond, which in my opinion is the best who portrayed the Iconic spy, Dench as M, and Bardem as Silva, which by himself takes the movie to a whole new level both as an actor and the character itself, since among the Daniel Craig-led 007's, Skyfall is the first film to bring us a true villain, an archenemy, one that is actually in-par to Bond himself. Skyfall also brings new additions and takes some out that leaves a lot to be explored in sequels (several new characters that will most probably be reprised again, and yes, there is death). And there is a very, very nice retro touch to the film that pays homage to 50 years of James Bond.

This however does not mean the film is perfect at all, it does have several issues of its own, issues that stand out. The overall story does not hold itself very well, specifically the final act, which might be considered a bit... stupid. Some characters and the architecture surrounding them did not Solid nor necessary, the whole Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) charade felt imposed and like a plot device just to introduce a an action sequence, a fling, and shed a little light on the villain. To me, the most un-Bond thing about Skyfall was that, 007 was more of a hit-man than a spy, he had one, maybe two "spying" missions, which included lots of killing, the rest was a shoot-em up, more like an open war movie than an espionage one.

And as for the temporary feel of the film (in the time of its release), the trailer had a very negative effect, it gave out almost every key scene and one liner in the film, leaving almost nothing to surprise you at the theater, this however cannot be held against the movie's lifetime position since trailers do not live forever, opposing to Bond films which actually do seem to live forever.

If I have to place this film among the other Craig-led Bond movies, it falls somewhere between "Casino Royale" and "Quantum Of Solace"
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