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Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:06 pm

So Lucy and I are thinking of getting a new turntable at some point, and thought it would be great to have both turntables set up so one could cue up the next album.

To make this work I figured a cross fader would be best to change from one table to the next, however after a bit of research it seems that crossfaders dont really exist on their own and we'd need to get a mixing desk with a bunch of other knobs and shit, which isn't ideal but would be ok. The smallest being some kind of DJ mixing desk.

The smallest/least ugly mixers I've found are these guys -

Numark M1
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Numark M101
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has anyone hear had any experience with these?

Also, can anyone suggest anything else that might work?
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:37 pm

You don't really need the cross fader, just volume for each player. Im guessing you don't have built in preamps in your TTs so will most probably need a DJ mixer so you can give each TT a preamp and ground.
Be careful buying second hand and just check that replacement cross faders are available and cheap. Those are the first thing to go in a used mixer, easy to replace yourself.
Check around places like Cash Convertors and look for battle mixers which are kinda like the ones you posted. Two faders, no effects, just simple mixers.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:42 pm

Cheers for the info, we currently have a Project debut 3 and will likely to get another table without a preamp, so a mixer seems the way to go.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:24 pm

Should just go all out on one of these...

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:33 am

interesting

http://superstereo.co.uk/

seems like fun
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:54 am

Just sing a k2t number while you're changing records.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Philfy Vermin » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:12 am

i thought this thread was gunna be about crossdressing.

anyway, i figured out the answer for you pert, use an mp3 player :baton:
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:38 pm

Appreciate the help Phil/Aaron
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:11 pm

That looks cool, never seen one before but based of the parts list it looks like a good unit.

A bunch of friends have the E&S DJR400 which I know to be a great mixer.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Red_switch » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:52 pm

Philfy Vermin wrote:i thought this thread was gunna be about crossdressing.

anyway, i figured out the answer for you pert, use an mp3 player :baton:


Or a fucking switch? Or must you fade?

What is this going into? Only one viable input?
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:21 pm

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Red_switch » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:30 pm

Can you seriously not just pick up a switch to do this for like $10-20 or some shit? Or just run both into your receiver/amp and select the source there?
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:39 pm

His receiver probably has an MM and MC input, wont be two of one kind. He obviously wants to be able to effortlessly switch between two record players in a musical way, not use a crash switch.
You are a million times wrong again.
He needs an extra preamp for the new TT which his receiver wont have. He would need to route the output from the TTs back out of the receiver to the switch and then back into the receiver. He would still only have crash switching.

A simple mixer is the easiest way around this problem. On board preamps, smooth transitions by way of faders/rotarys, EQ on each channel etc etc. The E&S mixer is way over spec for what Pert wants to do but fuck it it's a beautiful piece of kit and if he has the budget he should buy down that line.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Red_switch » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:50 pm

I understand how that would work, and yes, it would be simple, but if you don't need all that functionality (is it missing now?), then there's a fair bit of redundancy there, especially considering what you're paying. You'd need to be a fairly active listener to get the most out of it, so it really probably comes down to how lazy or not he is.

If you simply want to quickly switch to the next lined up record, then flicking a switch would surely be the simplest solution. If that's not a readily available option, then that just seems a bit bizarre to me.

But yeah, that's why I asked if he must fade.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Red_switch » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:00 pm

In fact, if you want to fade between, and a simple cross fading device doesn't exist, surely that wouldn't be terribly hard to make/have made?

Go buy a gay kit from dse or something.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Philfy Vermin » Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:08 pm

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:32 pm

Nat is correct.

It would probably be possible to dick around with some kind of switch and 1 or 2 external phono stages, but it would end up looking like shit, and would probably sound bollix and have very little functionality for my trouble. A small DJ Mixer ties all these components together, and adds a bit extra - which may not be essential but hey, why not.

If we could afford it I'd definitely look at the N77 or the DJR400

Or maybe something from this guy in Australia, these look rad (you come across these Nat?)

http://www.Condesaelectronics.com

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:37 am

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:39 am

Ps Pert haven't ever seen those but keen to check em out. Basically if you find something that references the Bozak or Urei mixers then you're on to the right track.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Philfy Vermin » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:58 am

i love this thread.

you guys are so cute, twiddling your knobs
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:01 am

Why be such a hater?

Not enough brass or purposeless cogs?
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Philfy Vermin » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:10 pm

haha, come on man, you know i dont get into that stuff, maybe some brass, but nothing purposeless.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:35 pm

Maybe you and your mate redswitch should go make a thread about listening to mp3's
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:02 pm

What's the price on one of them Condesa mixers Pert?
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby PertHJ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:41 pm

Have emailed them, will let you know when they get back to me
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Philfy Vermin » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:23 am

PertHJ wrote:Maybe you and your mate redswitch should go make a thread about listening to mp3's


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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby yossarian » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:55 pm

Nah, definitely take red switch's advice and whack your ungrounded, unequalised turntable output straight into a dipole switch. It'll sound great. He knows heaps about physics and geology software (both of which his uncle invented) so he's schooled on this shit.

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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby ghetto ninja » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:06 pm

Why the fuck is Redswitch bothering with these threads. Simple question given a pretty simple answer and then he suggests you need to go buy a "cross fader kit" from Dick Smiths.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Nathanael » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:25 pm

I can see into his future, and I see him as a bothersome old man constantly listening in on others conversations to drop some pearls of wisdom on unsuspecting folks.

The real deal is that yes Pert could build some kind of blend/x fader system. I don't know Perts skills at electronics but would hazard a guess he wouldn't know where to start. Parts, tools and labour would easily get him over $100 for the project, but he could just go buy a used DJ mixer to the job and more for the same price. Or he could slap a chunk of money at something really nice that will be with him forever and be a joy to use.

Having a nice mixer like the E&S or Condesa makes you want to listen to music more often because the interface is a joy to use.
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Re: Crossfader/mixing desk

Postby Red_switch » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:29 pm

So that's why there are so many fucking "dj's" everywhere. Sweet...!
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