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guitar feedback

Postby kaotick » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:13 pm

alright you talented guitarists out there, i need some advice. i seem to have a major problem with feedback when gigging. i'm playing an esp guitar with emg-hz pickups through a hot head pedal. i've used different amps, the last one was a marshall and have a constent problem of getting bad feedback.
being new too gigging, finally busting out of the bedroom, i'm unsure weather its my pedal settings causing this or what.
any tips or advice would be appreceiated :D
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xBOSSx » Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:29 pm

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby kaotick » Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:03 pm

cheers xBOSSx, just been reviewing this pedal, sounds like this should sort it, thanks for the quick reply.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby slob » Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:17 pm

boss is a retard, you don't need a noise gate, they're more for hiss and hum than feedback and are a bandaid solution...
When do you get feedback? when you let notes ring? (normal). standing infront of the amp with strings muted?(not normal-microphonic pickup) turn down your gain knob

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby yossarian » Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:53 pm

Turn your amp down. it's not Wembley Stadium.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby toothbrush » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:18 pm

a) change your amp volume/amp tone/pedal settings (bedroom settings sound awful loud)
b) learn to use feedback to your advantage.
c) stand further away from the amp.
d) turn off your pedal when you don't want feedback.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xBOSSx » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:44 pm

slob wrote:boss is a retard, you don't need a noise gate, they're more for hiss and hum than feedback and are a bandaid solution...


But I've used this for getting rid of unwanted feedback as well as hum etc and it works?
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby kaotick » Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:13 am

yeah the feedback is mainly between songs, turning off the pedal sounds like good advice. new too gigging so all advice is helpfull,problem last night was the dude on the desk turned down my guitar so low that when we played all the audience could hear was drums and vocals, trying to counteract my feedback between songs. thing is i like to use feedback in one song in particular, holding the chord and letting it feedback. if stomping my pedal is all it takes then thanks, i do like to use alot of high gain though. like i say, outa the bedroom onto the stage, all feedback is welcome and much apprceiated. the main problem i have is when i turn my guitar up i get the feedback, should i stomp my pedal just before i let rip? just a novice, all advice is good, thanks

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby kaotick » Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:22 am

had this problem with mic'd amps and standard, standing away from the amp, is all it takes just turning off the pedal? fuck i must sound like a dumb ass but we've all gotta learn somewhere, i figure this is the best place too ask seeing how we're alll into the same thing. i'd rather ask here than ask some egotistical metal head. thanks for your advice and patceince

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby cirE » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:17 am

different people do different shit man, i kick pedals on and off, some people set a pickup to silent and switch to that, some people turn volume knob down, i know some people that just straight up unplug the lead from the guitar between songs

new to gigging? but not new to jamming with a drummer right? just practice at gig volumes, learn how to shape your tone and control your sound better
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:34 am

Lol eric. Been doing a few gigs lately?
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xSUSPECTx » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:28 am

kaotick wrote: all feedback is welcome and much apprceiated.
im confused
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby cracker jack » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:57 am

What sort of pickups does your guitar have? If its not the settings on your amp or pedals it may be that.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby general » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:54 pm

kaotick wrote:emg-hz pickups

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby morepunkrockthanyou » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:34 pm

if gig volumes an issue learn to use your soundguy, like have the volume enough so you can hear it and then while your soundchecking let him know that you need some guitar to go through the monitors for the rest of the band.
even if it changes mid set, let the soundy know before you play that you may at some stage during the set change something or he may need to change something.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby kaotick » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:14 pm

xSUSPECTx wrote:
kaotick wrote: all feedback is welcome and much apprceiated.
im confused
ha ha maybe a pun there, yeah sound check was fine but the dude on the desk was a last minute ring in to our set, maybe we need our own sound guy, unfortunatly in invercargill we've been just lucky enough to find enough people to form our band. still thanks for the advice everybody, be on the look out for a release from us, suicide bombers, in the near future!
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby ghetto ninja » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:24 am

kaotick wrote:maybe we need our own sound guy

No, you are not a rockstar. Learning to communicate with soundies is a heaps as important part of playing live.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xSUSPECTx » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:35 pm

yeh, im no musician, but it seems like its a bit more than just communication, might also need a competent soundguy, especially when these guys are learning to play live themselves, id reccomend finding a bar or pub who have a regular soundguy, or finding yourself a regular one at a consistant location with consistant gear, once you get your head around one set up and one guy, i think you will find it easier to move on.
p.s. i have dealt with hassles between sound and bands, and have also been forced to do a horrible job of the sound myself, poor old offbeats and the rabble hahaa.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby Nathanael » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:04 pm

If you are having feedback issues, PLEASE dont go putting the guitar through the monitors. Its just made another point for more feedback.

Turn your gain down, I bet your speakers sound like angry bees right? Whats your EQ settings? from pedal to amp.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby slob » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:14 pm

xBOSSx wrote:
slob wrote:boss is a retard, you don't need a noise gate, they're more for hiss and hum than feedback and are a bandaid solution...


But I've used this for getting rid of unwanted feedback as well as hum etc and it works?

I use non shit guitars, pedals, power supply, leads, muting technique ect to get rid of feedback, hum ect and it works better than paying $150 for a tonesucking pedal.

Nathanael wrote:If you are having feedback issues, PLEASE dont go putting the guitar through the monitors. Its just made another point for more feedback.


Er, having guitar through foldbacks (pointing at you face, good monitor) means the amp (pointing at the back of your legs, bad monitor) can be turned down = less feedback (also = lower on-stage volume = better FOH sound )

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xBOSSx » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:40 pm

slob wrote:
xBOSSx wrote:
slob wrote:boss is a retard, you don't need a noise gate, they're more for hiss and hum than feedback and are a bandaid solution...


But I've used this for getting rid of unwanted feedback as well as hum etc and it works?

I use non shit guitars, pedals, power supply, leads, muting technique ect to get rid of feedback, hum ect and it works better than paying $150 for a tonesucking pedal.


It doesn't suck the tone either?
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby yossarian » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:12 pm

slob wrote:
xBOSSx wrote:
Nathanael wrote:If you are having feedback issues, PLEASE dont go putting the guitar through the monitors. Its just made another point for more feedback.


Er, having guitar through foldbacks (pointing at you face, good monitor) means the amp (pointing at the back of your legs, bad monitor) can be turned down = less feedback (also = lower on-stage volume = better FOH sound )


Um, you understand what causes feedback, eh? The reproduced sound looping through the instrument into the reproduction device...

So no, having a monitor pointed *directly at your pickups and strings* is not better then having an amp pointed at the back of your knees, with your body inbetween the source and your instrument.

To paraphrase a fucking genius audio engineer, don't take it personally, but this shit is a science, and that science is physics.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby general » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:53 pm

feed back. wooah. :idea:

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby slob » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:47 pm

yossarian wrote:Um, you understand what causes feedback, eh? The reproduced sound looping through the instrument into the reproduction device...

So no, having a monitor pointed *directly at your pickups and strings* is not better then having an amp pointed at the back of your knees, with your body inbetween the source and your instrument.

If there isn't enough energy to start the feedback loop it won't happen regardless of the input and output positions...

Too many guitarist turn their amp up so blisteringly loud (to the point of feedback) because they can't hear themselves because the amp is blasting their lower half and deafening the front row, directing the guitar sound towards their ears either through the foldback or raising/leaning back the guitar amp means the overall guitar volume on stage can be turned down to a reasonable level which won't cause feedback... maybe you have some nice physics formula to disprove this?




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It doesn't suck the tone either?

maybe something you wouldn't notice with a triple rec and an ESP?

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby yossarian » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:51 pm

Don't even need a formula, I'm gonna draw you a diagram on refill, scan it, and post it.
It will be mean, but may take more than one day.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby morepunkrockthanyou » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:33 am

slob wrote:
yossarian wrote:Um, you understand what causes feedback, eh? The reproduced sound looping through the instrument into the reproduction device...

So no, having a monitor pointed *directly at your pickups and strings* is not better then having an amp pointed at the back of your knees, with your body inbetween the source and your instrument.

If there isn't enough energy to start the feedback loop it won't happen regardless of the input and output positions...

Too many guitarist turn their amp up so blisteringly loud (to the point of feedback) because they can't hear themselves because the amp is blasting their lower half and deafening the front row, directing the guitar sound towards their ears either through the foldback or raising/leaning back the guitar amp means the overall guitar volume on stage can be turned down to a reasonable level which won't cause feedback... maybe you have some nice physics formula to disprove this?



amen to that
guitarists need to calm the f^&* down sometimes, i reckon most of the time we like to be loud is because our ears get raped from standing right next to the china haha.

yeah live sound is a bit of a science, but its really easy to get the basics right and shure and sennheiser i would imagine, think about ways to keep their live mics from taking outside noise.
Live mics these days do the directional thing pretty well man, the usual 57's d112 and all that crap aint gonna take in alot of bleed at all especially with outward pointing amps, well maybe a d112 if you havent stuffed it in the drum.

Basics:
Low amp volume - Enough for you to hear
Talking to the soundguy
Trusting the soundguy
Keeping your amp at the level or only just above soundcheck level during the gig.

My opinion is that any good band should sound rad before they mic up anyway, work on jam volumes and find a level that balances nicely, im sure youll find your guitar wont feedback too much from that unlessss.......

your pickups microphonic, but i think youd know if it was.

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby Nathanael » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:59 pm

Oh Im sorry, I obviously have no idea or experience about this subject and should just go sit in the corner 8O
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xSUSPECTx » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:05 pm

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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xBOSSx » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:05 pm

slob wrote:
xBOSSx wrote:
It doesn't suck the tone either?

maybe something you wouldn't notice with a triple rec and an ESP?


Incorrect again.
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Re: guitar feedback

Postby xSUSPECTx » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:17 pm

:lol: great thread
Carly Ngarotata-Simon wrote:U misd two commas u illiterate fuk. It should read...mainstream, whilst at the same time, ... Who da dumb cunt now. Im bilingual. I can txt speak n also write in 'proper' english havin bn a legal secretary 4 13 years. So im actualy fukn streams ahead in inteligence ova u. Plus i hav a life! I dnt waste my time typing evry leta out cos i have a life! Dum ass. Peace, im out. Hahahahaha

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