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vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:07 pm

Anyone on this shit?

Got my confirmation for vdsl install on Wednesday.

Would get fibre but computer says no.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:35 am

Honestly as far as video quality goes i couldn't care less, im just happy some solid mbps are getting out there
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:35 pm

Mostly for the upload improvement for games. Streaming stuff lags a bit here and there too. Seriously. My net feels pissy.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:36 pm

Its not quite 2x as much anyway. An extra 15 I think.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:54 pm

Ah what the hell. Those prices are different? Haha

http://www.telecom.co.nz/internet/ultra ... ultravdsl/

That's the price im getting in texts and stuff. 95$

Edit:my bad. I was looking at the wrong thing. All good though
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:52 am

J wrote:slow rollout in wellington although i guess since there is already 100mbit cable everywhere its less of a priority. 500gb for twice the price of an unlimited 15mbit connection doesnt quite add up for me yet, plus im unsure of the benefit of being able to download content faster than i can watch it but im sure it is great in a flat with a bunch of users who all try to download stuff in the evenings.

50mbit+ is going to be essential once we have regular 2k and 4k media to download so its good that its getting out there and prices are coming down


4k media. haha, that old chestnut.

The olds will probably be on fibre soon (I think a connection to their place has been available for a month or so now), so will have a play with it then. We'll be going to fibre or vdsl at work some time in the near future.

I'm pretty interested in the upload speeds, but until I move back into town it ain't going to happen (only way to get broadband at home is by 3G)
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby I am Sancho » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:51 am

J wrote:i dont get it? i tested a 4k tv last week and its alright, just amount of content is limited.


Can you actually see a difference between 1080 and 4k? I don't really know a whole lot about it but I can't really see the diffference between 720 and 1080 most of the time.

Maybe my eyes are just shit.

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:53 am

How close were you sitting?

4K is for cinema, because the limits of large format digital projection are already being reached. As far as tv/home theatre goes, it's a gimmick. Are you going to put more than 70 inches on your wall? The human eye has a finite ability to resolve detail. It's pointless, unless you're going to sit right in front of it, and then your field of view is fucked eh.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:57 am

Most people can't see the difference in resolution between 720 and 1080 at regular viewing distances. Perceived differences are usually due to improvements in refresh rates and resampling techniques, and screen lighting. Those are all more difficult and expensive and difficult for manufacturers to improve than simply whacking more pixels in these days.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:38 am

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby skeetnigguh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:24 am

buy internet from me plaz :tohlc:

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:50 pm

I think it's lint.

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Philfy Vermin » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:47 pm

a photo of a screen? you should be a pro designer like logan, so easy.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:51 pm

The main advantage, until you overcome the physiological limitations of the average human eye, is for 3D content (big advantages there) and on massive screens.

For your average in-home content, it won't make any real difference.

Our eyes won't be able to magically see more in the future. It's a little bit like sensors in digital cameras. It's easy to add pixels, but at some point other technologies become more important to ensure that what is being represented in those pixels is quality.

Your industry will no doubt be keen to push 4k though ;)
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby . » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:49 pm

4k in the home is snake oil.

most features are still mastering in 2k for cinema and look great on the big screen.

you can definitely see the difference between 2k and 4k in a cinema but at home in a lounge - i'm not buying it.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:26 pm

the amount of memory in a computer isn't influenced by human physiological limitations. If you are gonna rush out and by a 4k tv you might as well get a display that does uv and ir as well as rgb while you're at it...

Any real advantage will be in 3d, which is currently a dead duck and would take massive consumer and producer buy in (again)
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby . » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:49 am

J wrote:no one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer.


that's a strawman argument.

human perception doesn't evolve at the rate of computing.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:13 am

Only once you have a screen over a certain size...

Surely you work with someone that understands and can explain this? Or are they just infatuated with it all?

I'm sitting here looking at 276 megapixel imagery, and I can't say that 4k really excites a whole bunch.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:31 am

Probably.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby . » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:28 pm

fuck you're a giant dickhead red_switch. do you actually have friends or is your smug ass persona just for punkas?

personally i'm looking forward to having a 4k monitor in my suite because i deal with 4k media every day.

but i strongly believe that finished video content will never need to be delivered to tvs of current sizes in 4k. in just not perceivable. nhk and bbc doing 8k broadcast test - that shit is purely intellectual. for cinema projection - fuck yeah. absolutely. go for it.

i'd way rather the focus on imaging improvements be based around improved compression and dyanimc range.

all my favourite looking digital movies have been shot on the alexa - a camera that shoots 1920x1080.

spatial and temporal resolution is just not as important as color depth and dynamic range. i seriously believe that.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:17 pm

:lol:

We're on the same page .

The technology is best suited to the cinema, but the marketers need a next big thing, and ultra hd looks like "it", they'll sell it to countless punters who won't realise that a) their screen is too small and b) their content delivery mechanism lacks the bandwidth, to give any real gains (indeed, watching something that has been heavily compressed to meet bandwidth limitations, then resampled back to 4k, could provide a worse viewing experience...). Do we have the bandwidth to broadcast 4k over the air in NZ?
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:38 pm

fuck off you lot.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Dead Kid » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:46 pm

Red_switch wrote:a) their screen is too small and b) their content delivery mechanism lacks the bandwidth

Dunno wot yer on about mate, it'll be fuckin' mean

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:28 pm

I don't download any video media, yet I want 100 mbit.

My work relies on getting data via the internet, lots of data. Working at places on KAREN was awesome. More regular ADSL speeds don't make life impossible, but they can be a handbrake at times.
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby aerozol » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:46 pm

Red_switch wrote:Any real advantage will be in 3d, which is currently a dead duck and would take massive consumer and producer buy in (again)

It'll happen eventually. Is it worth an early buy in? Not in my opinion, but if you've got the money...

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Re: vdsl/fibre

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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby Red_switch » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:31 pm

Yea, actually I do a bit of that at home (well not at home as such, no internet there other than 3g, but outside of work) too.

Actually, I think your argument re 4K tv applies just as much, if not more so, to having high speed internet at home, eh?
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:45 pm

I said fuck off. :explainittomelikeimfive:
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Re: vdsl/fibre

Postby mmmm....good crack » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:58 pm

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apparently they monitor over the next 12 days and make adjustments.

happy enough though, my upload previously was 0.88 mbps, down 9.29
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