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'Vegan' Fake Meat

Postby David xvx Ludd » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:15 am

So, my man Mikey/Vidyapati/formerly-xMeatlessx posted this news story on another forum a few weeks ago:

Over 50% of processed foods for vegetarians found to contain meat

Taipei, June 14 (CNA) The Investigation Bureau has recently found that some processed foods advertised as vegetarian contained meat, and it has vowed to refer producers who knowingly added meat to their products for prosecution on fraud charges.

Pu Chang-en, a technician at the bureau's department of forsensic science, said Sunday that among samples collected from 31 vegetarian food vendors in Taipei City and County for safety checks, food taken from 17 vendors were found to contain meat.

DNA tests revealed that in the two most serious cases, the vegetarian patties and ham of one vendor and vegetarian dried shredded pork from another vendor contained at least 20 percent beef or pork, Pu said.
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http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_con ... g=eng_news

I was not impressed. Today, someone linked me to this: http://www.quarrygirl.com/2009/06/28/un ... staurants/

An LA vegan food blog recently carried out some clinical tests of food sold in 'vegan' restaurants, with quite grim results. They traced the supply chain back to Taiwan, and found:

Posing as a potential US importer of allergen-free veggie meats, we emailed the Taiwanese manufacturer and asked whether their products could contain casein, whey, egg or milk without being listed on the label. We engaged in a an email exchange and we were also able to speak with somebody in the US who worked in the restaurant business in Taiwan for many years. The results of these interactions are paraphrased below, with with our emphasis in [square brackets]:

* In the Taiwanese and Chinese market [where most of these products are made and sold] vegetarian customers are only concerned with meat ingredients and not bothered at all if egg or milk ingredients are included [this is due to religious reasons in many cases, typically to accommodate Buddhists, who are often not vegan]
* Sometimes the ingredient listings are not 100% inclusive of what’s in the product [we asked what things are usually added but not labeled]
* Sometimes eggs, fish flakes and milk might be added but not on the label, and we never include ingredients of all the additives – there would be too many
* The veggie meats are re-labeled for the western market, usually by a non-English speaker who is translating the bulk ingredients list manifest, so there are many occasions where the translations were not correct. Also, the labels are small in size, and rarely have enough room for all ingredients.
* If the ingredients change due to cost or availability the list manifest isn’t always updated, and we only revise our translated labels when we introduce new products
* Most of the time, the “veggie meat” products contain egg albumen because the isolated soy protein base we purchase comes that way from the manufacturer
* There are few labeling regulations in Taiwan and they are rarely, if ever, enforced. We usually list the ingredients we put into food directly, but if if we’re using something from a third party we don’t always list the ingredients in that. It’s just not important in Taiwan.

So, we had just been told in no uncertain terms that egg-containing isolated soy protein COULD be used as an ingredient in veggie meats that were labelled appropriately for the Taiwanese market (ignoring the fact that eggs, in this case, were present in them). We can also assume that the egg ingredients were not written onto the label, as the original ingredients of the soy protein were not available at the time of labeling, and even if they were they would have been ignored as being irrelevant for the local market.


Fortunately, the Taiwan food industry gets a legislative shakeup...tomorrow:
Taipei - Taiwan is to enact the world's strictest law on labeling vegetarian food at the request of Buddhists and people who eat vegetarian for health reasons, the health ministry said Monday. Starting from July 1, Taiwan food manufacturers must use five categories, up from the current two, to identify the content of vegetarian food. Violators will be fined from 40,000 to 200,000 Taiwan dollars (1,200-6,000 US dollars), the Department of Health said.

Currently the labelling only indicates whether food is pure vegetarian or contains no meat but egg and milk. Now added are categories separating egg and milk as well as vegan.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... eling.html

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- All packaged products claiming to be vegetarian must come with labels detailing its ingredients categorized within the five specific vegetarian groups starting July 1, announced the Department of Health (DOH) yesterday.

The new rule requires manufactures to label their products with “vegan,” “ovo-lacto vegetarian diet,” “ovo-vegetarian diet,” “lacto-vegetarian diet,” and “Wu Shin vegetarian diet,” which includes scallion, garlic, onion, leek and hing, an Indian condiment, instead of the ambiguous “for vegetarians” label or they will be subject to a NT$30,000 to NT$150,000 fine, local media reported.

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Re: 'Vegan' Fake Meat

Postby Jay Herself » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:27 am

Shit damn. I still have fake ham left.
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Postby beef666 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:18 pm

I'll eat it.
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Postby FC » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:42 pm

Pretty funny.



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Postby pattymayonnaise » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:12 pm

Pretty sure the Fry's stuff would still be sweet.

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Postby Brinn » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:44 pm

Fry's being from south africa I'd expect so - and their burgers are the best anyway.
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Postby melpomene » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:44 am

* "If the ingredients change due to cost or availability the list manifest isn’t always updated, and we only revise our translated labels when we introduce new products"

Hmmm...so changing ingredients is entirely differant from introducing new products!? Yes, more than a little concerning. Also that the western product has its ingredients list translated by a "non English speaker", that gives me GREAT confidence.

In fact the whole article is pretty concerning, although if i'm honest, buying that kind of fake meat stuff from Davis trading or similar stores has always made me wonder what the fuck i'm actually eating. I've already tried to reduce my intake of stuff where you cant read the label, or it's called "fish flavoured beef" for fucks sake.

Think i'll stick with Frys.
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Postby David xvx Ludd » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:50 am

I expect that most of the Chinese fake meats here originate in Taiwan. So, for now, I don't know how trustworthy they are. Hopefully, their labelling will get a shake-up because of the new law there.

Really, it's probably better to mostly avoid fake meat for health reasons, but...for now, I'll be sticking to Sanitarium, Fries, etc.
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Postby stenchcore666 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:44 pm

http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum/vi ... =15959&p=1

just make your own, at least you'll know what the fuck is in it.
you dont even need most of the fancy shit, its one of the easiest things ive ever made. honestly foolproof
its real choice made into wontons :D

and its way cheaper!!!!!!!!!!
fucking hell fake meat is ridiculously expensive
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Postby Brinn » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:53 pm

It's not really that expensive, if you get the dried stuff it's ~$1.70 a bag. And stuff like the vege mutton kebabs are ~$2.20... pretty damn cheap really.
I've made my own seitan before, can't be fucked half the time though.
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Postby stenchcore666 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:59 pm

Brinn wrote: And stuff like the vege mutton kebabs are ~$2.20...


thats pretty choice,
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Postby Andrew_TA » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:40 pm

seitan is piss easy to make and worth it, flavour and shape it how ever you want
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Postby melpomene » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:28 am

stenchcore666 wrote:http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=15959&p=1

just make your own, at least you'll know what the fuck is in it.
you dont even need most of the fancy shit, its one of the easiest things ive ever made. honestly foolproof
its real choice made into wontons :D

and its way cheaper!!!!!!!!!!
fucking hell fake meat is ridiculously expensive
d.i.y. or die motherfuckers



Thaks for that link mate, gonna give it a try. Choice website.
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Postby SupaScoopa » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:54 am

Do supermarkets stock vital wheat gluten? Cant say ive seen it before, but keen to make some Seitan.

When i was in Berlin last year i went to a place called 'Voner' which was a kebab store but with seitan on the rotisseries, it was off the hook!

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Postby xSUSPECTx » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:27 pm

anyone ingesting large amounts of gluten is asking for trouble imo.
some of the latest thinking on coeliac disease is along the lines that an excess of gluten is good for nobody, and very bad for some people.
it may be just a theory, altho one based on observations, that the overconsumption of gluten containing products can actually lead to developing coeliac symtoms, but i know i always feel a bit shit after eating that kind of crap.

just sayin, you know, if youre the type of person who sneers at those who eat macdonlads you might wanna do a bit of research on what youre eating yourself.

sorry to be negative, id still rather eat seiten wontons than pork(or cat) :wink:
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Postby melanie » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:46 pm

SupaScoopa wrote:Do supermarkets stock vital wheat gluten? Cant say ive seen it before, but keen to make some Seitan.
Yeah, regular supermarkets have Healtheries brand in 500g boxes. If you're in Auckland though on Dominion Rd is a bulk food store (called Bulk Food Savings, behind the Wendys) that sells it for about half the price, $6/kg or something. They also have other vegan stuff - nutritional yeast, a few types of tvp (though if you're partial to comparing gluten to McDonalds, I think you would be more worried about isolated soy protein), etc.

These steamed seitan sausages are really good: http://theppk.com/blog/2008/02/26/on-sa ... community/

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Postby xSUSPECTx » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:13 pm

melanie wrote:if you're partial to comparing gluten to McDonalds, I think you would be more worried about isolated soy protein

sure, the way i look at it is too much of anything is bad, i guess its kinda a cliche, i know nobody thinks this stuff is health food, i only know anything bout it cos i looked it up after finding i get real bad acid guts from wheat products(not the same thing, just how i came to look it up).
so yeh, just dont make a meal of the stuff is all im saying.
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Postby Andrew_TA » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:04 am

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Postby David xvx Ludd » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:25 am

Yeah, to be honest, I love seitan, but it definitely doesn't love me back. I cook it twice a year, maximum, and try not to eat it with other wheat products, because it fucks with my stomach something terrible.

I've never had any other issues with gluten, so I guess I just have a very slight intolerance.
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Postby drunk and proud » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:06 pm

David xvx Ludd wrote:Really, it's probably better to mostly avoid fake meat for health reasons, but...for now, I'll be sticking to Sanitarium, Fries, etc.


what sucks about sanitarium though is that some of there products have whey in them.

while in melbourne i discovered some (if i remember correctly) sanitarium soy cheese, wicked shit that you dont find here like blue cheese and the like. only to be dissapointed by the ingredients: milk, whey, eggs....

frys HARD. that shit rules

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Postby David xvx Ludd » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:14 pm

Yeah, but at least sanitarium can be trusted to admit the milk's there when it is...
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Postby dustbinflowers » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:01 pm

Completely blame my wheat intolerance on all you can eat at Meingin House (korean wheat-meat amazingness) for 3 years. What a way to go though...!
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