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Postby E Z B » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:49 am

Are they precooked in animal fat >
Just wondering if they are vegan....

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Postby yvon » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:08 am

They are not vegan because they contain dead skin, hand-sweat crystals, faeces from underneath fingernails and probably piss, saliva and other goodies. And the blood of slave monkeys of course.





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Postby loucke = shit » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:53 am

I am not sure if supporting a company like mcdonalds could be vegan no matter what u were buying, buying from a company is supporting it, so you would be supporting some pretty dodgy animal treatment shopping there.

I thought vegans were meant to have a conscience. aint that the point to it?
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Postby BanalityDUFF » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:09 am

loucke = shit wrote:I thought vegans were meant to have a conscience. aint that the point to it?


yeah.

i guess it could be a, can i eat them at 3am when nothings open and im drunk and hungry? kind of question. :wink:

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Postby BOOT GIRL » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:01 pm

no one here is challenging your meat eating,most of the vegans ive met have been chubby or healthy and lean,not scrawny and weak as your suggesting,if my only option to eat at 3am was mCshit,id rather go without

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Postby PertHJ » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:43 pm

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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:23 pm

haha come on, you just answered a question with immortal technique lyrics...

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:27 pm

And the lyrics completely fit the argument.



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Postby cirE » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:27 pm

thought there's a difference between vegan and vegetarian
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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:53 pm

FC wrote:And the lyrics completely fit the argument.



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veganism is a dietry choice 'cos immortal techniques said so'

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:56 pm

No, its a dietry choice because its a dietry choice, just like any other dietry choice. If you want to accompany it with a belief in animal rights or whatever else, that is entirely your business and you shouldnt expect the world to conform to your way of thinking.


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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:00 pm

Explain how not wearing leather is a dietary choice please.

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Postby puppykicker » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:10 pm

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:18 pm

matt youwin wrote:Explain how not wearing leather is a dietary choice please.


Depends on your definition of veganism I suppose. I am sure that it wouldnt be hard to find a vegan punk wearing some sort of animal product, and I imagine theyd be pretty pissed if you started telling them they arent a proper vegan anymore.


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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:20 pm

For sure. That's basically my point, that 'veganism' means different things to different people, and you can't just lump it into the 'dietary choice' pile.

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:21 pm

Well you can. I would argue that not wearing leather may tie in with veganism, but it doesnt define it. Veganism is a dietry choice first and foremost. Noone is going to argue about whether it means you can eat an egg, or drink milk and still be vegan, but the question of clothing will inevitably arise.



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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:32 pm

Well I disagree.

Your last comment confuses me. I'm sure there would be people on both sides of the fence that would argue either way. To me, eating a free range egg from a hen who has lived a good life would be 'better' than purchasing a leather jacket for which a cow died for, and probably 'more vegan'.

I guess it boils down to whatever the 'definition' of Veganism is. Luckily for most it's more of a name for a lifestyle than a cult with rules passed down from the top.

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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:37 pm

If you want a 'definition':

Wikipedia wrote:Veganism (also strict or pure vegetarianism) is a philosophy and lifestyle that seeks to exclude the use of animal derived products for food, clothing, or any other purpose. Vegans do not use or consume animal products of any kind. The most popular reasons for becoming a vegan are ethical commitment or moral convictions concerning animal rights, the environment, or human health, and spiritual or religious concerns. Of particular concern are the practices involved in factory farming and animal testing, and the intensive use of land and other resources required for animal farming.

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:38 pm

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a vegetarian who omits all animal products from the diet.



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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:54 pm

hahaha

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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:57 pm

Oh yeah

PS: Mcdonalds fries are awesome.
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Postby matt youwin » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:00 pm

with ketchup right?
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Postby FC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:07 pm

Thats amazing.



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Postby loucke = shit » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:40 pm

vegetarianism shouldnt be considered revolutionary, it is simply some asshole who doesn't like the taste of meat. of course, that is a given. I still stand by my comment from years ago "vegetarians are assholes"

quote from the same page aidan picked his meaning of the word vegan from,
"coined by Donald Watson to distinguish those who abstain from all animal products (eggs, cheese, etc.) from those who merely refuse to eat the animals."

vegans don't consume animal products. its not a dietary choice, its a lifestyle choice, many things in ones life are affected by being vegan, not just dinner. the reason for going vegetarian is completely different to why you would go vegan, they arent even remotely similar things.

I try to avoid products that cause animal suffering/death, that includes human and non human animals. I dont know if many vegans would wear another humans knee caps for a hat if it were fashionable and the mob were going around shooting up the streets farming kneecaps. but I am sure they would. just like they all have to have their favourite chuck taylors and other associated "punk" shoes, made with the blood and sweat of chinese workers. but "punk" is more important than vegan as a lifestyle choice of course.

for me, I went vegan because I gave a fuck about this world. so veganism was the thing that I could do to lessen my impact on the world, and telling people about it was what I could try to do to further my impact for the good of the planet and the life on it. I try to do what I think is best for the world, I don't know for sure, but I try. you can hassle me and attack me all you want, but I dont care, I try,

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Postby loucke = shit » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:45 pm

oh yeah, sorry, I forgot to mention

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Postby Sicinius » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:01 pm

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Postby Whitey » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:36 pm

i think what Louke said is highly commendable.
I do disagree with this part though..

loucke = shit wrote:vegetarianism shouldnt be considered revolutionary, it is simply some asshole who doesn't like the taste of meat. of course, that is a given. I still stand by my comment from years ago "vegetarians are assholes"

As mentioned earlier, each person does it for their own choice. I for one, love the taste of meat, just hate the idea of where it comes from.
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Postby David xvx Ludd » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:27 pm

. wrote:first of all being a vegetarian should
never be associated with being
a revolutionary or being open-minded.
that's a dietary choice.


Veganism is not a mere dietary choice. If it was, vegans would wear leather etc. Veganism is, as much as anything else, an ethical statement.

FC wrote:Well you can. I would argue that not wearing leather may tie in with veganism, but it doesnt define it. Veganism is a dietry choice first and foremost. Noone is going to argue about whether it means you can eat an egg, or drink milk and still be vegan, but the question of clothing will inevitably arise.


According to the Vegan Society and its founder, Donalds Watson, who coined the word, it means someone who abstains from using animal products (not just eating them) for ethical reasons.

Q What is a vegan?
A A vegan is someone who tries to avoid - as far as is possible and practical - all forms of exploitation of animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. This is for the benefit of people, animals and the environment. Vegan eat a plant-based diet free from all animal products, such as meat, animal milks, eggs, honey and gelatine. They also avoid animal products like leather, wool and silk for clothing or other purposes.

http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index ... w&FAQ_id=1

EDIT: Loucke's last post was excellent.
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