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Postby /// » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:38 am

Envy wrote:
Nong Shim hot & spicy instant noodles are pretty good though.

Are these vegan? No sneaky animal-derived ingredients in them? Keen to try if they are.

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Postby Envy » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:42 am

/// wrote:Are these vegan? No sneaky animal-derived ingredients in them? Keen to try if they are.


I thought that they were until today :-(

FOILED by 'flavour enhancers' 631 and 627.

Fuck.

Trying to avoid animal-stuff is WAAAAAY more of a mission than I thought it would be.

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Postby Ph!1 » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:54 pm

thats msg isnt it?

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Postby Envy » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:59 am

MSG's 621, I think.

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Postby the croc » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:12 am

627 - Flavour enhancer. Isolated from sardines or yeast extract; not permitted in foods for infants and young children. Persons with gout, hyperactivity, asthmatics and aspirin sensitive's should avoid it. It is found in instant noodles, potato chips and snacks, savoury rice, tinned vegetables, cured meats, packet soup.

631 - May be prepared from meat or sardines; not permitted in foods for infants and young children. Gout sufferers avoid. It is found in instant noodles, potato chips and snacks, savoury rice, tinned vegetables, cured meats, packet soup. Asthmatic people should avoid inosinates. As inosinates are metabolised to purines, they should be avoided by people suffering from gout. Frequently contains MSG(621).
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Postby Ph!1 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:21 pm

ah true.. you got a link to all those numbers?

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Postby the croc » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:23 pm

http://www.mbm.net.au/health/620-640.htm

The rest of the site is worth at look too inn terms of healthy eating etc and other additives.
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Postby Whitey » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:29 pm

Wikipedia wrote:Disodium guanylate (E627), also known as sodium 5'-guanylate and disodium 5'-guanylate, is the disodium salt of the flavor enhancer guanosine monophosphate (GMP). Disodium guanylate is a food additive and is usually used in synergy with glutamic acid (monosodium glutamate, MSG).

As it is a fairly expensive additive, it is not used independently of glutamic acid; if disodium guanylate is present in a list of ingredients but MSG does not appear to be, it is likely that glutamic acid is provided as part of another ingredient such as a processed soy protein complex. It is often added to foods in conjunction with disodium inosinate; the combination is known as disodium 5'-ribonucleotides.

Disodium guanylate is producedfrom dried fish or dried seaweed and is often added to instant noodles, potato chips and snacks, savoury rice, tinned vegetables, cured meats, packet soup.



Disodium inosinate (E631), chemical formula C10H11N2Na2O8, is the disodium salt of inosinic acid. It is a food additive often found in instant noodles, potato chips, and a variety of other snacks. It is used as a flavor enhancer, in synergy with monosodium glutamate (also known as MSG; the sodium salt of glutamic acid) to provide the umami taste.

As it is a fairly expensive additive, it is not used independently of glutamic acid; if disodium inosinate is present in a list of ingredients but MSG does not appear to be, it is likely that glutamic acid is provided as part of another ingredient. It is often added to foods in conjunction with disodium guanylate; the combination is known as disodium 5'-ribonucleotides.


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Postby BanalityDUFF » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:06 pm

the croc wrote:Better let them know that they are a disgrace to vegans everywhere


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Postby Adamov » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:00 pm

I'm pretty sure eating a few specs of something that may or may not have animal products in it will make absolutely fuck all difference to anything, eh...

It's probably one of those cases where common sense will serve you better than your vegan rules.

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Postby dustbinflowers » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:28 am

your statement just shows you don't get it. It's a personal philosophy. It doesn't have to make a difference to anyone else.
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Postby Adamov » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:50 am

I thought the point of veganism was to help animals, not to follow the rules at all costs.

Sounds to me like you can't see the forest for the trees.

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Postby the croc » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:00 am

1618033 wrote:I thought the point of veganism was to help animals, not to follow the rules at all costs.

Sounds to me like you can't see the forest for the trees.


The point of veganism is whatever you want it to be. Whether it be for animal rights, health, ethical, spiritual or environmental reasons, or a mixture of any of those.

Sounds to me like you don't get it.
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Postby Adamov » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:11 pm

Ok, yea. If you're not doing it for the animals that makes sense.

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Postby Andrew_TA » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:31 pm

Do it for yourself you dick, no one person makes nay kind of difference.

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Postby Lentil » Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:11 pm

vegan cause I don't want to eat animals or contribute to their suffering.. though environmental reasons are becoming a stronger reason for me to stay vegan too

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Postby Sin-Mae » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:01 pm

matt youwin wrote:Home brand honey bears

Sounds like these quite obviously contain honey.
Honey isn't Vegan, you should edit that out.
Anything else up there that you forgot to check for honey?
Thanks.

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Postby steeltoedsneakers » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:39 pm

Sin-Mae wrote:
matt youwin wrote:Home brand honey bears

Sounds like these quite obviously contain honey.
Honey isn't Vegan, you should edit that out.
Anything else up there that you forgot to check for honey?
Thanks.


is it? don't worry, not having a go at you Sin-Mae, nor claiming to know anything about veganism, but i can imagine there being arguments both ways..?
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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:23 pm

Vegans don't use any animal products.
Honey is an animal product because Bees are animals.
Bees are highly intelligent animals, with structured social interactions and roles. They are at the top of their line of beings, much as humans appear to be at the top of our line.

Honey is essentially Bee Vomit, the Bees produce Honey for their own use, it is their food supply and they will give their lives to protect the hive and their Honey.
Protecting the hive is the Bees' no. 1 priority.

Honey production for human use has meant the breeding of one particular species of Bee, which is in competition with other native varieties of bees and human intervention in honey production has caused the decline in other bee species. the native bee species are actually better pollinators than the honey bee. There was an scare a short time ago in the U.S. where all the bees had gone bye-bye. I'm sure we can all understand that the loss of bees would not be a good thing for anyone.
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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:32 pm

I didn't think we were discussing religion in this thread.
Here's a link, why Honey isn't Vegan..
http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

Besides which, honey is completely unnecessary for humans, it isn't healthy for us and we have other plant based options such as agave nector or maple syrup.. Yum maple syrup! And loverly soy or palm wax candles too! *Grin*

No one is perfect, and I'm not trying to be the "Vegan Police". But Honey is really easy to avoid, unlike a lot of those sneaky additives mentioned in this thread already. So if you consider yourself Vegan, I think you should at least research the case for Bees. And take an item that has 'honey" explicitly written in the title, off of the vegan products list. The Vegan Society describes Honey as not Vegan.
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Postby Andrew_TA » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:29 pm

Hey dude, can you do me a favour? Write up some more rules about veganism. Cause that's what it is all about.... Right....?

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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:31 pm

There's no need to be an ass about it.
And quit calling me dude, I'm a girl.

Really I just wanted to know if this list would be any use to me or not,
if no one cares about the bees here then I have my answer.
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Postby Andrew_TA » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:36 pm

Sin-Mae wrote:There's no need to be an ass about it.
And quite calling me dude, I'm a girl.

Okay I'll quite calling you a dude, dude :wink:

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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:39 pm

Damn it. OK my spelling is terrible, I know. :oops:

But at least I can use the full-stop.
But let's not turn this into one of those arguments, please.

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Postby PertHJ » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:42 pm

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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:47 pm

Don't you think calling a chick dude is a bit knarly, and tubular for 2007?

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Postby PertHJ » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:50 pm

wait what now?

I thought gnarly and tubular were GOOD things?
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Postby Sin-Mae » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:58 pm

Yeah, they're rad, just like Parachute Pants and Kim Wilde.
Excuse I while I breakdance, I'm sure the thread won't hurt my shoulders any, what with all the padding I've got going on. :roll:

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Postby PertHJ » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:48 pm

sweet as dude
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